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[Viewpoint]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

No Kikapu. It's not that! See this is why I doubt you're a TC somtimes.

Because all you do here is just argue and confront TCs man. You think you're doing right because you're helping the GCs from those who in your opinion want too much. Fine. But why act like a total ignoramus when the GCs are doing the same thing? You completely ignore them when they want too much or even when they're being blatantly racist. And then when people don't want to mix with them you're like "YOU RACISTS"

And thats just one example.

It's not because of what Piratis said either. Piratis generalised the whole TC community by what he reads from nationalist TCs. It's shocking what some of them think about us and how do we know how many of them there are? People like Piratis don't trust us at all and in return he expects us to trust him! He wants us to give up EVERYTHING like Turkeys guarantee, our rights from the constitution...and to top it off he claims this is more "democratic". Using democracy as an excuse for a majority to vote away a minorities rights!

The kind of "unification" Piratis wants is just as insulting to me as the TCs one is for GCs. "Unifying" and then watching the majority vote your rights away in the name of democracy is not very "unifying". And if it was upto Piratis (whos probably a clone of Papadopulous) this is how it would be! And this is OK and he gets to put his opinions accross while you tip toe around him without hassle and the TCs can't?

Anyways, bravo to everyone who cast their sins away...at least people tried!

Another excellent post, how more precise can one be, you voice what the majority of TCs think and until GCs stand up and address what you are saying we will remain divided.

[Viewpoint]

You cannot vote away minority rights TC. Even in a private company where all is subject to the profit motive there are minimum guarantees for minority voters.

Your response to Kikapu encapsulates all that old stuff about GCs in pretty much the way you claim GCs approach the TC community. Things like "clone of Papadopoulos" etc. You are stuck in 1963 as if nothing has happened since then and the GC side has not borne any damage at all.

You forget that Cyprus is a member of the council of Europe and the EU and this changes the framework totally. These facts are cast aside in favor of some nebulous references to Papadopoulos as if that name alone explains anything.

Nikitas the packaging may have changed but the core is the same, if their is a community experienced in manipulating and bending laws rules and regulations to suit their own aims they will do the same over and over again unless the penalty is so sever it will deter them from doing so eg Turkish Army. If GCs can bear a grudge going back 400 years they will surely be looking to run us into the ground if given the opportunity, which we TCs must not give them we have to ensure the structure is firmly in place so they know exactly what those sever penalties are if they should try to step over the boundery by introducing Akritas like plans.

[Kikapu]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Senin gibi terbiyesiz, sulalesi ve kani buzuk Turk dusmanlarini 9 degil 99 koyden kovarlar.

Let me start with you first Mr. Frog and then I can work my way to T_C.

As I said last week to VP, you and he are the only two TC members here who likes to insulting other members families and as I told VP, you two are alone in your own class all together, which is, you two have NO CLASS:

[Nikitas]

VP,

In a normalised situation there will be TC Eurodeputies, TC members int he permanent mission of Cyprus at the EU, TCs as part of the Cyprus mission to the Council of Europe.Now if in such a situation you can still talk of the Akritas plan you are stuck way back in the last century. You are like the GCs that remember 1571 as if they lived it. Get a move on to 2008 you guys.

[zan]

VP,

In a normalised situation there will be TC Eurodeputies, TC members int he permanent mission of Cyprus at the EU, TCs as part of the Cyprus mission to the Council of Europe.Now if in such a situation you can still talk of the Akritas plan you are stuck way back in the last century. You are like the GCs that remember 1571 as if they lived it. Get a move on to 2008 you guys.

So what you have been arguing for...As in Democracy in majority rule....Does not exist. The majority cannot rule in our world?????

[Kikapu]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Twisting things around to squirm out of this one wont work, people are not stupid and they can clearly see your insincerity and lack of understanding, TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth, you have it wrong yet again, that's where you will always lose the little credibility you may of had.

VP, you are very funny, but too bad your face has already beat you to it.!!

Look who is talking. You don't even understand the meaning of the word "biased". Remember how you were going on for weeks when I spent 2 weeks in the RoC and wrote about my experience there, which you kept saying, "it was one sided view and I was being biased". Yes it was one sided view you fool, because I only went to one side and only talked with those who were on that one side. How on earth could that been biaesed and how would that have changed what I experienced in the South, if I went to the North also. That's exactly the same case that T_C is complaining about. Because I may have political issues with the "TRNC" and with all the Propagandising that goes on from the TC's, I'm suppose to balance my views by also picking issues with the propagandising that may also be going by the GC's...Are you for real VP. Do you think I'm the world's policeman or what. Since you are so concerned about being "biased", why don't you pick on Halil for not posting some GC propaganda along with the one's he does for Bayrak, or why don't you also support RoC's views when you only support the "TRNC" views only.

TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth

But thank you anyway for your endorsement that I was not being complained on by T_C for lying about in anything that I write. In fact you even said "not that you do not tell the truth". So let me get this straight, I'm being complained on by T_C for telling the truth, therefore I should be losing last bit of credibility that I had....which fucking moronic Propaganda school did you attend VP ??. That it so laughable.

[zan]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Twisting things around to squirm out of this one wont work, people are not stupid and they can clearly see your insincerity and lack of understanding, TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth, you have it wrong yet again, that's where you will always lose the little credibility you may of had.

VP, you are very funny, but too bad your face has already beat you to it.!!

Look who is talking. You don't even understand the meaning of the word "biased". Remember how you were going on for weeks when I spent 2 weeks in the RoC and wrote about my experience there, which you kept saying, "it was one sided view and I was being biased". Yes it was one sided view you fool, because I only went to one side and only talked with those who were on that one side. How on earth could that been biaesed and how would that have changed what I experienced in the South, if I went to the North also. That's exactly the same case that T_C is complaining about. Because I may have political issues with the "TRNC" and with all the Propagandising that goes on from the TC's, I'm suppose to balance my views by also picking issues with the propagandising that may also be going by the GC's...Are you for real VP. Do you think I'm the world's policeman or what. Since you are so concerned about being "biased", why don't you pick on Halil for not posting some GC propaganda along with the one's he does for Bayrak, or why don't you also support RoC's views when you only support the "TRNC" views only.

TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth

But thank you anyway for your endorsement that I was not being complained on by T_C for lying about in anything that I write. In fact you even said "not that you do not tell the truth". So let me get this straight, I'm being complained on by T_C for telling the truth, therefore I should be losing last bit of credibility that I had....which fucking moronic Propaganda school did you attend VP ??. That it so laughable.

You did not talk only of one side or he side you were on...You used every example to run down the TRNC which you have not seen in 40 years

[Kikapu]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Twisting things around to squirm out of this one wont work, people are not stupid and they can clearly see your insincerity and lack of understanding, TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth, you have it wrong yet again, that's where you will always lose the little credibility you may of had.

VP, you are very funny, but too bad your face has already beat you to it.!!

Look who is talking. You don't even understand the meaning of the word "biased". Remember how you were going on for weeks when I spent 2 weeks in the RoC and wrote about my experience there, which you kept saying, "it was one sided view and I was being biased". Yes it was one sided view you fool, because I only went to one side and only talked with those who were on that one side. How on earth could that been biaesed and how would that have changed what I experienced in the South, if I went to the North also. That's exactly the same case that T_C is complaining about. Because I may have political issues with the "TRNC" and with all the Propagandising that goes on from the TC's, I'm suppose to balance my views by also picking issues with the propagandising that may also be going by the GC's...Are you for real VP. Do you think I'm the world's policeman or what. Since you are so concerned about being "biased", why don't you pick on Halil for not posting some GC propaganda along with the one's he does for Bayrak, or why don't you also support RoC's views when you only support the "TRNC" views only.

TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth

But thank you anyway for your endorsement that I was not being complained on by T_C for lying about in anything that I write. In fact you even said "not that you do not tell the truth". So let me get this straight, I'm being complained on by T_C for telling the truth, therefore I should be losing last bit of credibility that I had....which fucking moronic Propaganda school did you attend VP ??. That it so laughable.

You did not talk only of one side or he side you were on...You used every example to run down the TRNC which you have not seen in 40 years

And that's where you are wrong Zan. I did not make a single comment about the life in the "TRNC" and it's people other than those who are dealing with GC land to fill their pokets with "Haram money" at the expense of not wanting peace in Cyprus, and after talking with the Cousin's Husband, he made it very clear that was the case. I even separated those TC's refugees who were given a GC places to live until a final outcome and were not in my accusations, but rather those who bought a lot of GC land on the cheap and were now waiting for a Partition to cash in their chips and were not interested in finding a lasting solution. Please get your facts straight.

[zan]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Twisting things around to squirm out of this one wont work, people are not stupid and they can clearly see your insincerity and lack of understanding, TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth, you have it wrong yet again, that's where you will always lose the little credibility you may of had.

VP, you are very funny, but too bad your face has already beat you to it.!!

Look who is talking. You don't even understand the meaning of the word "biased". Remember how you were going on for weeks when I spent 2 weeks in the RoC and wrote about my experience there, which you kept saying, "it was one sided view and I was being biased". Yes it was one sided view you fool, because I only went to one side and only talked with those who were on that one side. How on earth could that been biaesed and how would that have changed what I experienced in the South, if I went to the North also. That's exactly the same case that T_C is complaining about. Because I may have political issues with the "TRNC" and with all the Propagandising that goes on from the TC's, I'm suppose to balance my views by also picking issues with the propagandising that may also be going by the GC's...Are you for real VP. Do you think I'm the world's policeman or what. Since you are so concerned about being "biased", why don't you pick on Halil for not posting some GC propaganda along with the one's he does for Bayrak, or why don't you also support RoC's views when you only support the "TRNC" views only.

TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth

But thank you anyway for your endorsement that I was not being complained on by T_C for lying about in anything that I write. In fact you even said "not that you do not tell the truth". So let me get this straight, I'm being complained on by T_C for telling the truth, therefore I should be losing last bit of credibility that I had....which fucking moronic Propaganda school did you attend VP ??. That it so laughable.

You did not talk only of one side or he side you were on...You used every example to run down the TRNC which you have not seen in 40 years

And that's where you are wrong Zan. I did not make a single comment about the life in the "TRNC" and it's people other than those who are dealing with GC land to fill their pokets with "Haram money" at the expense of not wanting peace in Cyprus, and after talking with the Cousin's Husband, he made it very clear that was the case. I even separated those TC's refugees who were given a GC places to live until a final outcome and were not in my accusations, but rather those who bought a lot of GC land on the cheap and were now waiting for a Partition to cash in their chips and were not interested in finding a lasting solution. Please get your facts straight.

What you did was take a man who has had enough and wants to get on with his life and provide for his family, just like the GCs have done while he sits and waits for a solution, with the embargoes, and sully his name in your quest for attacking the TCs.

[Kikapu]

What you did was take a man who has had enough and wants to get on with his life and provide for his family, just like the GCs have done while he sits and waits for a solution, with the embargoes, and sully his name in your quest for attacking the TCs.

No no no Zan, I'm talking about a man who bought a lot of GC land at £20 a donum and said they were worth £3,000 per donum now, as well as living in a GC house. Everything he told me regarding GC land, how the the AP was voted on the plan only and not for peace, the "TRNC" tells the world what they want to hear, but in reality they want partition and so on and so on. Funny enough, at the time you and VP made him out to be "Roger the Rabbit" that he did not exist, but as time went by, VP grew bolder and repeated everything what the cousin's husband said. Again Zan, I did not attack or accuse any TC refugees living in GC homes, but rather the Partitionist, who would at all cost would see the island divided permanently, and to my thinking, it was not so much about security, but rather it was all about MONEY.