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[boomerang]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

Deniz, as you can see from the links they don't tell you much apart from the headlines...

Its interesting though to see the headlines at the time and to see what game the english were playing with both sides at the time.

You gotta admit though there are some interesting headlines

You are right Boomerang. Each headline tells a story.

And for a small. insignificant piece of land as far as the world is concerned there seems to be one helluva headlines

[halil]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

Deniz,
İ remember very well about Krini (KIRNI )(PINARBAŞI ) and St, Hilarion fighting . İ was point out in my Memories of my childhood . During that time my uncle was lost .

[Nikitas]

Piratis said:

"It didn't help that Greek Cypriots thought that union with Greece was the only way to achieve their freedom and they didn't consider the fears of TCs. "

I would add we did not understand the nature of freedom. We assumed that giving ourselves and ourisland to Greece equaled freedom, which it does not. There have been analogies here drawn between Cyprus and Crete, mostly by TCs. To this day Crete remains a law unto itself because it is too big and too distant from Athens to be treated as jut another island. Cyprus is even further, (remember that phrase? "Cyprus is too far").

Makarios did not understand these elements. He did not take Cyprus' statehood seriously and was willing to hand over the defence and education to mainlanders in the early 60s. People from Preveza and Trikala came to educate us country bumpkins about nationalism and patriotism and how to hate communists and Turkish Cypriots. We sat there and took that crap.

If you do not take care of your house it will fall on you and kill you says the old proverb. This almost happened to us.

[Viewpoint]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Twisting things around to squirm out of this one wont work, people are not stupid and they can clearly see your insincerity and lack of understanding, TC quite rightly said you are biased not that you do not tell the truth, you have it wrong yet again, that's where you will always lose the little credibility you may of had.

[denizaksulu]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

Deniz,
İ remember very well about Krini (KIRNI )(PINARBAŞI ) and St, Hilarion fighting . İ was point out in my Memories of my childhood . During that time my uncle was lost .

I am sorry to hear that. Your uncle did not die in vain. Be proud Halil

[T_C]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

No Kikapu. It's not that! See this is why I doubt you're a TC somtimes.

Because all you do here is just argue and confront TCs man. You think you're doing right because you're helping the GCs from those who in your opinion want too much. Fine. But why act like a total ignoramus when the GCs are doing the same thing? You completely ignore them when they want too much or even when they're being blatantly racist. And then when people don't want to mix with them you're like "YOU RACISTS"

And thats just one example.

It's not because of what Piratis said either. Piratis generalised the whole TC community by what he reads from nationalist TCs. It's shocking what some of them think about us and how do we know how many of them there are? People like Piratis don't trust us at all and in return he expects us to trust him! He wants us to give up EVERYTHING like Turkeys guarantee, our rights from the constitution...and to top it off he claims this is more "democratic". Using democracy as an excuse for a majority to vote away a minorities rights!

The kind of "unification" Piratis wants is just as insulting to me as the TCs one is for GCs. "Unifying" and then watching the majority vote your rights away in the name of democracy is not very "unifying". And if it was upto Piratis (whos probably a clone of Papadopulous) this is how it would be! And this is OK and he gets to put his opinions accross while you tip toe around him without hassle and the TCs can't?

Anyways, bravo to everyone who cast their sins away...at least people tried!

[zan]

I will go first...

I will go second:

It didn't help that Greek Cypriots thought that union with Greece was the only way to achieve their freedom and they didn't consider the fears of TCs.

It didn't help that some Greek Cypriots even after independence continued to be Greek nationalists instead of Cypriot nationalists.

It didn't help that Greek Cypriots didn't try more to make RoC work as it should.

Unless we manage to strip all this propaganda shit from our minds, and learn to look at our problem objectively and with empathy and compassion,we have no chance of finding a fair,lasting ,and peaceful solution.

Bir, you are missing one very important point here. Some people don't want a fair solution because they believe that they can get more than their fair share on the loss of others. Also they don't want compassion since it is conflict and hate between the two sides which serves their aim of partition.

You should have made the small print smaller so we could not see it...Never mind though Bir will not see it anyway.....

[Nikitas]

You cannot vote away minority rights TC. Even in a private company where all is subject to the profit motive there are minimum guarantees for minority voters.

Your response to Kikapu encapsulates all that old stuff about GCs in pretty much the way you claim GCs approach the TC community. Things like "clone of Papadopoulos" etc. You are stuck in 1963 as if nothing has happened since then and the GC side has not borne any damage at all.

You forget that Cyprus is a member of the council of Europe and the EU and this changes the framework totally. These facts are cast aside in favor of some nebulous references to Papadopoulos as if that name alone explains anything.

[zan]

You cannot vote away minority rights TC. Even in a private company where all is subject to the profit motive there are minimum guarantees for minority voters.

Your response to Kikapu encapsulates all that old stuff about GCs in pretty much the way you claim GCs approach the TC community. Things like "clone of Papadopoulos" etc. You are stuck in 1963 as if nothing has happened since then and the GC side has not borne any damage at all.

You forget that Cyprus is a member of the council of Europe and the EU and this changes the framework totally. These facts are cast aside in favor of some nebulous references to Papadopoulos as if that name alone explains anything.

Will you try to understand that we are not just another minority. e do not see ourselves as one and we are not one. By T_Cs' rhetoric and by every other TCs. The fact that we will be playing catch up with every policy that is passed through government. We do not want special privileges as you mean them to be. We want our language, our traditions and our Turkishness in the constitution. We do not want to be viewed as a museum for TCs but as part of the modern Cyprus. When asked " where do you come from", and I say Cyprus, I want them to then ask Turkish or Greek. In a thousand years time if his mythical creature called the Cypriot is around then they can decide what they want. that will involve a new religion and a new language that will evolve it is to be.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu is the one person in here who has had experience of GC led attack on his family in Kaimakli and of a subsequent arrest at an age when he could understand what was going on. Others had similar experiences but Kikapu did so in his early teens if I recall correctly. So he does not need any reminding of what bigorty and fanaticism can do.

To the TCs he may sound as if he is taking the GC side. To me he sounds like someone who has lived in several countries which underwent far worse civil conflicts than ours and has realised a few things about Cyprus.

At times it sounds and feels like both sides want to cling on to the conflict for dear life. As if the world would disappear if we let it go. Kikapu too has expressed this view in other ways in his posts. Some of us want to move on from this "you started first you killed more people" tit for tat game.

And some of us here do not feel at all happy at the prospect of a part or the whole of Cyprus becoming a district of either Turkey or Greece. In short some people in here have broken free of tha narrow nationalist tripe produced by both sides. The inability to see this for what it is and mistaking it for "taking the other side" tells a lot about where we are and how far we have to go.

Nikitas,

Thanks for your understanding from where I'm coming from and my comments and stance towards some members on this forum.

It's time to do more sailing stories, so look for that soon on "Catamaran Sailing".