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[MR-from-NG]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Senin gibi terbiyesiz, sulalesi ve kani buzuk Turk dusmanlarini 9 degil 99 koyden kovarlar.

[zan]

To all those TC's who have seen fit to take their best shot at me tonight as well as any other times for my expression of the situations that has to do with the "TRNC" and Cyprus problems in general, I would like to refer you all to an old Turkish proverb, which is "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

Well my TC friends, you are each one of those köy's.

Translation to "Dogruyu söyleyeni 9 köyden kovarlar".

"Those who tell the truth are chased from 9 villages".

Don't worry Kiks...You can come and stay at my village.......We need a village idiot....


Why on earth would you stay at the villages of thieves and robbers and greedy "haram" faced mongols anyway. You call us all the names under the sun and hope we still love you.........You have no concept of what is wrong or right so go on thinking you are the only one in the world that knows what is going on in Cyprus. Live in your little world and be happy. That is all that matters isn't it. Why should you worry about what the whole of the TC nation think....You are right and you are happy.....Enjoy.

[BirKibrisli]

Okey,everyone..Calm down now..

I would've liked to reply to you all individually (especially to Zan and T_C) but I am off to Sydney soon. I will be away from my computer for one week. But I will pop into libraries or internet cafes,time permitting,and keep an eye on you all...

Look...Unless we manage to strip all this propaganda shit from our minds, and learn to look at our problem objectively and with empathy and compassion,we have no chance of finding a fair,lasting ,and peaceful solution. I am trying to do two things here. Firstly to make some of you TCs see that things are not really as you heard from Denktash,or from the graduates of the RRD TC Blind Propaganda School like Eric dayi et al.

And secondly to encourage, by example,our GC brothers and sisters,to have a critical look at what they have been told about our common problem. They too have to realise there are two sides to every coin. And they too have to find the objectivity,empathy and compassion for the TCs to help us get out of this mess...

It is not really that difficult to do.
Here is what I suggest,for a start...Sit down with a pen and paper and write down this uncompleted sentence : IT DIDNT REALLY HELP THAT...
Then go ahead and complete the sentence as many times as you like,talking about things that your side did which contributed to our problem...Don't think of them as mistakes or faults. Just actions or attitudes or beliefs or thoughts...

I will go first...

It didn't really help that...the Ottomans invaded Cyprus in 1571 and killed a lot of people before subjugating the island's inhabitants by force.

It didn't really help that...they brought settlers with them,people who were to have special rights and privileges over the original population.

It didn't really help...that they hired the island out to the British in 1878,hence bringing another self-interested and self-serving party to the island.

It didn't really help...that Turkish nationalism came to boiling point in the early 1920s as a result of Ataturk's actions in forging the new Turkish Republic.

It didn't really help ...that the TCs fell for the unthinking nationalism trap and started seeing their compatriots as their enemies.

It didn't really help ...that the TCs fell under the spell of one RR Denktash who was a fanatical supporter of Turanism.

That will do for now...You get the idea.
Please get to work and post your results for us all to see...
And remember, the Big Brother is watching you...

[zan]

It doesn't help....That you are the social worker from hell with anti Turkish feelings and a biased version of history......

[boomerang]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

[Piratis]

I will go first...

I will go second:

It didn't help that Greek Cypriots thought that union with Greece was the only way to achieve their freedom and they didn't consider the fears of TCs.

It didn't help that some Greek Cypriots even after independence continued to be Greek nationalists instead of Cypriot nationalists.

It didn't help that Greek Cypriots didn't try more to make RoC work as it should.

Unless we manage to strip all this propaganda shit from our minds, and learn to look at our problem objectively and with empathy and compassion,we have no chance of finding a fair,lasting ,and peaceful solution.

Bir, you are missing one very important point here. Some people don't want a fair solution because they believe that they can get more than their fair share on the loss of others. Also they don't want compassion since it is conflict and hate between the two sides which serves their aim of partition.

[denizaksulu]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

[denizaksulu]

Am I third?


just one for the time being:

It did not help that....Non-Cypriots began teaching in Cyprus Secondary Schools, thus spreading hatred towards the TCs. I have not seen this (anti greek hatred in TC schools) in the other direction, if anyone has please correct me. Bear in mind, my school years wer from 1952 to 1964.

[boomerang]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

Deniz, as you can see from the links they don't tell you much apart from the headlines...

Its interesting though to see the headlines at the time and to see what game the english were playing with both sides at the time.

You gotta admit though there are some interesting headlines

[denizaksulu]

It's all here...the problem is you gotta pay to see what they say


http://news.google.com.au/archivesearch?hl=en&ned=au&q=cyprus&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=m&as_mind=10&as_minm=12&as_maxd=9&as_maxm=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=1958&as_hdate=1963&lnav=d3&ldrange=1955,1957&hdrange=1964,2007

Thanks for the links Boomerang. Its a pity the fees for these articles make it a nuisance.

But one thing we ought to have learnt by now is 'never bank on what the media put out'.

There was one non-incident I remember clearly. In early January, 1964, whilst the fighting over the mountain pass, near Krini (Girni) and the Boghaz area, and attempts at the capture of St, Hilarion Castle were going on. The rounds of automatic gun fire and other weaponry could easily be heard from Nicosia. I was with the SYS above the Barclays bank. Our only connection with the outside world was via the BBC World News at 2.00 pm. It was from there that we received news from other parts of the island. The BBC was assumed to be the most reliable source of information. We would follow the news reports regularly. One afternoon, it was announced that St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greeks and the Nicosia to Kyrenia oad had been opened to the Greek forces. I was translating this 'terrible' news to those who did not speak any English. You could see the doom and gloom on our faces.

Half an hour later a food convoy returned, having just taken food to the defenders up in the mountains. Ofcourse these were all lies. Provided by whom? BBC the mouthpiece of the GCs? From then on, every news item was taken with a pinch of salt.

All night the automatic gunfire never ceased. This lasted for a few more days I think. The Turkish Cypriot defenders managed to halt the Greek onslaught. They were heroes. To this day the area remained in TC hands..

The only reason I write this is because we have learnt what distortions the media is capable of. In a way, they have to toe the official line. Cest la vie.

Deniz, as you can see from the links they don't tell you much apart from the headlines...

Its interesting though to see the headlines at the time and to see what game the english were playing with both sides at the time.

You gotta admit though there are some interesting headlines

You are right Boomerang. Each headline tells a story.