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[Nikitas]

Zan,

If Turkey had no interest in Cyprus why the clandestine importation of arms? Why the continuing teaching of invasion tactics in the Turkish military academies? Things are not set up unless they are intended ot be used.

The policy was locked in and is still there. Turkey is undergoing a crisis now because all these policies it has clash with EU requirements. The military in Turkey have a special position in the country. There is no other country in the EU hat affords the military the same participation in government as Turkey. If this system does not change the policy in Cyprus will stay the same.

The phrase "deep state" is not a foreign invention, Turks themselves coined it and use it often.

[BirKibrisli]

Your interpretations against ACTUAL reports of the day on the day.....

Can you guys tell me whether the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy...In your opinion???

From: WASHINGTON POST, 16.02.1964 ARTICLE BY ROBERT H. ESTABROOK
"...Archbishop Makarios, robed adn bearded cleric who serves as President of Cyprus, has a Byzantine talent for equitation....his Government deliberately provoked the clashes and is bent upon the extermination of the Turkish population..."

From; EVENING POST, 15.1.1964 REPORTED BY JOHN WHITE FROM NICOSIA, CYPRUS
Background to the London Conference

"This week 2,000 miles from that dusty Cypriot road, men are meeting round a table in london to try to sort out the tragedy of Cyprus. Their aim will be to find a solution to a problem which has produced wide-spread murder, arson, looting and kidnapping. It is profoundly to be hoped they discover such a solution. But very few people I met in Cyprus last week have much faith in this painfully arranged Conference. As the Greek Cypriot taxi man who drove me around Nicosia said: "The conference will solve nothing. It is just words."

When I asked him for his solution he said "If the Turks want to stay - O.K. But they can't have any rights. they should not have the good jobs. They are the minority and must do what we say."

"Some Greeks are more extremist than the taxi man. They don't merely wish to deprive the Turks of all rights. They want to deprive them of the right to live. I have heard men say all Turks should die and these were men with nervous trigger fingers."

" Many Greek and Turkish Cypriots are embittered - understandably - and some are apparently resigned to everlasting conflict. 'I would like to live peaceably with the Greeks' said one Turk, 'But I do not see how it can be done.' Possibly he spoke for many others."

"The British Army in Cyprus have been playing a most difficult role. One of their jobs has been to try and build confidence between Greeks and Turks."

"Last Thursday hundreds of soldiers were drafted into a suburb of Nicosia to safeguard Turkish families coming back to their homes and 'restore confidence'. I saw more Turks going than coming back. As one of them said 'My four your old daughter was shot by my next door neighbor. I don't want to return and be killed.'.."

Zan...I am still back in January,1958.
Why don't you comment on what I am writing,and fill in the gaps if you see any??? What is one-sided about what I am writing? I am retelling historical events after all...

[zan]

The politics of memory and forgetting
Yiannis Papdakis

According to Purcell (1969:270-, 293) of the 287 Greek Cypriots killed during
1955-60, 60 died at the hands of Turkish Cypriots,106 were killed by the security forces and at least 112 by EOKA (with a possible maximum of 200), while 84 Turkish Cypriots were killed by Greek Cypriots and 7 by the British.

[Tim Drayton]

Bir,
Thanks for passing on details of the new book about the Special War Department.
Drat! I was in a left-wing bookshop in the north of Nicosia yesterday, and they most certainly must have this book in stock.
What scared me was that I wanted to buy Neşe Yaşın's controversial new novel which has led to her receiving death threats from the TC far right. I asked one assistant if they had her latest novel in stock and he, with a perfectly straight face, asked me to repeat the author's surname and entered this into the computer, then informing me that they did not have it. He acted as though he had never heard this name. A little later, I asked the owner of the shop the same question. She knows me and proceeded to produce a copy which was hidden under a peice of cloth on the counter. It makes me wonder if a climate of fear has returned to the TC community.

[halil]

Bir,
Thanks for passing on details of the new book about the Special War Department.
Drat! I was in a left-wing bookshop in the north of Nicosia yesterday, and they most certainly must have this book in stock.
What scared me was that I wanted to buy Neşe Yaşın's controversial new novel which has led to her receiving death threats from the TC far right. I asked one assistant if they had her latest novel in stock and he, with a perfectly straight face, asked me to repeat the author's surname and entered this into the computer, then informing me that they did not have it. He acted as though he had never heard this name. A little later, I asked the owner of the shop the same question. She knows me and proceeded to produce a copy which was hidden under a peice of cloth on the counter. It makes me wonder if a climate of fear has returned to the TC community.

Tim,
Did you try the bigest bookstore called DENİZ PLAZA in NİCOSİA.
At weekend her brother Mehmet Yaşın was there . Talking with his readers and signing for his books . There is no fear in north as you are thinking Tim.
You can get and buy anykind of book from them .

[Tim Drayton]

Bir,
Thanks for passing on details of the new book about the Special War Department.
Drat! I was in a left-wing bookshop in the north of Nicosia yesterday, and they most certainly must have this book in stock.
What scared me was that I wanted to buy Neşe Yaşın's controversial new novel which has led to her receiving death threats from the TC far right. I asked one assistant if they had her latest novel in stock and he, with a perfectly straight face, asked me to repeat the author's surname and entered this into the computer, then informing me that they did not have it. He acted as though he had never heard this name. A little later, I asked the owner of the shop the same question. She knows me and proceeded to produce a copy which was hidden under a peice of cloth on the counter. It makes me wonder if a climate of fear has returned to the TC community.

Tim,
Did you try the bigest bookstore called DENİZ PLAZA in NİCOSİA.
At weekend her brother Mehmet Yaşın was there . Talking with his readers and signing for his books . There is no fear in north as you are thinking Tim.
You can get and buy anykind of book from them .

Glad to hear there is no fear any more. Kutlu Adalı showed no fear and look what happened to him. I truly hope that his case will be the last ever "faili meçhul" in Cyprus.

[T_C]

Check out this cover of Life magazine I found with TCs on it (1964)!

A Turkish flag waves over a roadside emplacement in Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots armed with shotguns, crouch behind sandbags as Greek snipers fire down from the hills.

and anyone seen this one?

[denizaksulu]

Zan,

If Turkey had no interest in Cyprus why the clandestine importation of arms? Why the continuing teaching of invasion tactics in the Turkish military academies? Things are not set up unless they are intended ot be used.

The policy was locked in and is still there. Turkey is undergoing a crisis now because all these policies it has clash with EU requirements. The military in Turkey have a special position in the country. There is no other country in the EU hat affords the military the same participation in government as Turkey. If this system does not change the policy in Cyprus will stay the same.

The phrase "deep state" is not a foreign invention, Turks themselves coined it and use it often.

Nikitas, do you know the Turkish phrase the Turks used for 'deep state'?

Can anyone enlighten us? I am unfamiliar with any expression which would be used.

[denizaksulu]

Check out this cover of Life magazine I found with TCs on it (1964)!

A Turkish flag waves over a roadside emplacement in Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots armed with shotguns, crouch behind sandbags as Greek snipers fire down from the hills.

and anyone seen this one?

TC, are you teasing me. That is Kophinou with my other yegens behind the sandbags. The mountain behind must be Stavrovouni/ Mountain of the Cross/ Stavros dagi, just above my village. The Cypress trees are in the village cemetary.

[Kikapu]

Check out this cover of Life magazine I found with TCs on it (1964)!

A Turkish flag waves over a roadside emplacement in Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots armed with shotguns, crouch behind sandbags as Greek snipers fire down from the hills.

and anyone seen this one?

I think the person who turned the coffee cup, turned it the wrong way, since the split is Vertical and not Horizontal.!!!

Perhaps that was the "old partition plan" before it was modified to the "new partition plan". :lol: