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[cyprusgrump]

We even have a chap declaring that it is possible to be a decent and kind person, WITHOUT adhering to the basic tenets of the scriptures ?.
I personally think it would be difficult to utter a greater nonsense than that.

I simply cannot accept your assertion that mankind lived in some form of lawless anarchic state before the introduction of these books!

[rajput49]

cyprus grump religion has made the most significant imapact on the social aspect of human beings along with other aspects.i dont agree that mankind lived in some form of lawless anarchic state as u said becuse of the fact that as the first human being was created by GOD laws were given in shape of do's and dont's thats why adam and eve (may peace be upon them both)were thrown out of heaven.as society grew GOD sent his messangers in the form of prophets from adam to noah to abrahim and moses and jesus and muhammad(may peace be upon them all)and revealed to human beings laws and commandments which were for the benifit of human beings.as socities needs and understanding grew came laws that were applicable to the societies.set of rules that if followed will create an ideal society.now as far as lawlessness point comes w e always face trouble when we dont follow the rules or laws.so end result is lawlesness is result of going away from laws of book that can be a religious book or just a constitutional book.but point to note is whenever their is confrontation between societies that is result of difference between laws of religious books and laws of constitutional books if both live side by side where human laws dont veto divine laws confrontation will never arise.

[Stout]

We even have a chap declaring that it is possible to be a decent and kind person, WITHOUT adhering to the basic tenets of the scriptures ?.
I personally think it would be difficult to utter a greater nonsense than that.

I simply cannot accept your assertion that mankind lived in some form of lawless anarchic state before the introduction of these books!

"cyprusgrump" Prior to the written scriptures upon which our laws are based, it is possible that there were kind and decent people and that is not in dispute.
My contention is that it is not possible to be kind and decent in today,s world without adhering to the basic tenets of the scriptures.
Somehow, that statement (which I made primarily as a counter to ignorance), seems to have convinced members that I am a preacher, which I am not.
I merely defended the position of those that are (or appear to be) since they were being subjected to ridicule and derision.
Surely that is not acceptable behaviour when dealing with such issues as religion, we may not agree but there is no reason for such insult.
Actually such an attack on those who DO preach, is harmful to millions of people who DO believe, we should all have the good grace to understand that fact and act accordingly, can you not agree with that ?.

[phoenix]

The reason why people are inherently good, and conduct their affairs in a moral way, without the need for scriptures, is that the genes for co-operation and rightful conduct to members of our own and other species, have been selected for by evolution.

Behaving correctly makes us fitter to survive since others will like us more and less likely to harm us. We then reciprocate in kind back and so on. We also do not abuse animals as that fits in with having adequate food supplies and leads to less likelihood of injury from animals defending themselves against any unnecessary infliction of harm from us.

All this balances perfectly in the best of all possible worlds . . . . without the need for imaginary "friends / creators / gods".

[Acorn]

Are you saying that we are no more than monkeys?
Seems you have met my wife Dot.

[Stout]

Seems like you have also met my avatar

[denizaksulu]

The reason why people are inherently good, and conduct their affairs in a moral way, without the need for scriptures, is that the genes for co-operation and rightful conduct to members of our own and other species, have been selected for by evolution.

Behaving correctly makes us fitter to survive since others will like us more and less likely to harm us. We then reciprocate in kind back and so on. We also do not abuse animals as that fits in with having adequate food supplies and leads to less likelihood of injury from animals defending themselves against any unnecessary infliction of harm from us.

All this balances perfectly in the best of all possible worlds . . . . without the need for imaginary "friends / creators / gods".

Selam aleyke, oh Phoenix mou. So your assertion is that Turco/Mongols are from outer space?

[zan]

The reason why people are inherently good, and conduct their affairs in a moral way, without the need for scriptures, is that the genes for co-operation and rightful conduct to members of our own and other species, have been selected for by evolution.

Behaving correctly makes us fitter to survive since others will like us more and less likely to harm us. We then reciprocate in kind back and so on. We also do not abuse animals as that fits in with having adequate food supplies and leads to less likelihood of injury from animals defending themselves against any unnecessary infliction of harm from us.

All this balances perfectly in the best of all possible worlds . . . . without the need for imaginary "friends / creators / gods".

Selam aleyke, oh Phoenix mou. So your assertion is that Turco/Mongols are from outer space?

That is why we as pack animals have been more successful.....Without proper behavior the pack would fall apart.

Again I find myself agreeing with Phoenix And as you have quite rightly pointed out Deniz...Shame she does not show this kind of clear thinking when it comes to us....

[denizaksulu]

The reason why people are inherently good, and conduct their affairs in a moral way, without the need for scriptures, is that the genes for co-operation and rightful conduct to members of our own and other species, have been selected for by evolution.

Behaving correctly makes us fitter to survive since others will like us more and less likely to harm us. We then reciprocate in kind back and so on. We also do not abuse animals as that fits in with having adequate food supplies and leads to less likelihood of injury from animals defending themselves against any unnecessary infliction of harm from us.

All this balances perfectly in the best of all possible worlds . . . . without the need for imaginary "friends / creators / gods".

Selam aleyke, oh Phoenix mou. So your assertion is that Turco/Mongols are from outer space?

That is why we as pack animals have been more successful.....Without proper behavior the pack would fall apart.

Again I find myself agreeing with Phoenix And as you have quite rightly pointed out Deniz...Shame she does not show this kind of clear thinking when it comes to us....

No one is beyond self contradiction and our Phoenix is no exception. Bless her.

[cyprusgrump]

My contention is that it is not possible to be kind and decent in today,s world without adhering to the basic tenets of the scriptures.

This is my problem… I am atheist as you know – can I not also be kind and decent?