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[growuptcs]

Bringing up the past that you never lived through is as closed minded as your forefathers preached to you about Cyprus, Eric. Stop complaining and just opt out to discussing about Cyprus with your dead end ways. Just make yourself useful and watch a movie, or catch a game of pocketpingpong,

[Piratis]

Just as I though. You have no arguments, you get upset and show how uncivilized you are. Is this level of civility typical for a Turk Eric Dayi? This question goes for those other TCs in this forum who seem to agree with you.

Don't talk to me about being civilized you moron, we saw and felt how civilized you GCs and Greeks were against us TCs all the way from 1950's to 1974.

I gave you my arguments in my reply but you are too stupid to see it and too stupid to reply. Go back and read it again you bozo and come back with something meaningful and not the garbage you replied with in this posting of yours. Or is this your way of telling us that you have no more lies to tell and give up?

So the conclusion is that it is the Turks who have actually been committing the genocides, Greek Cypriots never did.

That is your conclusion pal and we all know that you are lying..

Greek Cypriots and Greeks tried to genocide us TCs to have their (your) ENOSIS, you have already admitted to your wrong doings in many other threads and now you are trying to backtrack. Not a very clever little liar, are you?

You just imagine that GCs would do this and that, but your imagination and oracle predictions do not count my friend. What counts are the actual genocides you have committed against us and against others.

"imagine"? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....tell me dumbo, did you or did you not want ENOSIS and did you GCs together with the Greeks started to kill us TCs for your ENOSIS dream?

Do you or do not still keep complaining, whinging, whining and crying buckets full that we TCs didn't want ENOSIS and that why you turned on us to try and force us to accept your ENOSIS or kill us all if we do not agree, hmmm?

Come on you lying moron, I am waiting for your answers or are you going to do a runner like others before you...hmmmmm?

Eric, I will keep replying to you so you will make more of these nice posts with the Turkish flag next to them. Do you consider yourself a smart person among the Turks Eric?

Greek Cypriots did want enosis and this was our legitimate right. After being ruled against our will by Turks and British we wanted our freedom like it happened to the other Greek islands and territories that were liberated. There is nothing wrong with that. On the contrary what is wrong is that our freedom has been denied to us for so many centuries by the Turks and the British.

Here is how it started:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Instead of accusing us for wanting our freedom(!!!) you should be apologizing for the way you treated us and how you denied to us our freedom.

The other part of your claim is also wrong. When we started our armed struggle for enosis in 1955 our target was the British colonialists not the TCs.
You are the ones who collaborated with the colonialists to fight against us, and later started the intercommunal conflict in 1957. Here are some videos from your British friends about that time:



[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=15iDy2h8qEA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=pT4EpCV2ysk[/youtube]


Now feel free to continue making a fool of yourself

[Eric dayi]

Bringing up the past that you never lived through is as closed minded as your forefathers preached to you about Cyprus, Eric. Stop complaining and just opt out to discussing about Cyprus with your dead end ways. Just make yourself useful and watch a movie, or catch a game of pocketpingpong,

I am not complaining pal, I just tell my side of the story, it's you and your compatriots who are complaining, whinging, whining and crying buckets full.

The fact is that if you GCs and Greeks didn't start your ENOSIS dream and attempted to genocide us TCs we would still be living side by side in one independent country with two partners. But alas, you GCs and Greeks did dream of ENOSIS and started a war in an attempt to genocide us TCs so that you can have your ENOSIS but it backfired in your faces and you have been whinging, whining and crying ever since.

Me thinks that it would have been in yur best interest if you had watched a "movie or catch a game of pocketpingpong" yourselves instead of dreaming of ENOSIS and attempting to genocide us TCs for your impossible dream. You know what I mean pal?

[Piratis]

Here we go again.

Eric I should remind you that in Cyprus the biggest slaughtering in history was commited by the Turks in 1570 when within days they killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone. That was more than 10% of the population of Cyprus killed within days, and therefore could be defined as genocide.

Since then the next biggest slaughtering in Cyprus happened in 1974 when the Turks, again, killed several 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now you tell me when TCs where "genocided"? In your dream?

TCs in total lost a few 100s people, in a period when they also killed a few 100s of GCs.

If GCs killing some 100s of TCs is an "attempted genocide" then why when the TCs during the same conflict killed some 100s of GCs is not an "attempted genocide"?

These kind of gross exaggerations where you are trying to present yourselves as the only victims of the Cyprus problem are totally ridicuous my friend.

[Eric dayi]

Here we go again.

Eric I should remind you that in Cyprus the biggest slaughtering in history was commited by the Turks in 1570 when within days they killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone. That was more than 10% of the population of Cyprus killed within days, and therefore could be defined as genocide.

I strongly believe Madona should re-write her song just for you and rename it to "Like an idiot".

When it suits your needs the Ottoman are Turks but when it doesn't then the Ottoman are just that, Ottoman.

Stop being a complete idiot and make up your mind, Ottoman or Turks, which is it now?

Since then the next biggest slaughtering in Cyprus happened in 1974 when the Turks, again, killed several 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now you tell me when TCs where "genocided"? In your dream?

TCs in total lost a few 100s people, in a period when they also killed a few 100s of GCs.

If GCs killing some 100s of TCs is an "attempted genocide" then why when the TCs during the same conflict killed some 100s of GCs is not an "attempted genocide"?

These kind of gross exaggerations where you are trying to present yourselves as the only victims of the Cyprus problem are totally ridicuous my friend.

You are spewing crap again, what did your mother feed you for Gods sake?

You have got to be one of the most stupid morons on this forum.

Those who claim that the brain produces new (memory) brain cells as the ones you have fill up haven't obviously met you. Must drop them a line to tell them that they got it all wrong and to re-write their books.

Jesus Christ..........what a moron you are, no a moronic frigging idiot of the worst kind anyone has ever seen.

[denizaksulu]

Here we go again.

Eric I should remind you that in Cyprus the biggest slaughtering in history was commited by the Turks in 1570 when within days they killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone. That was more than 10% of the population of Cyprus killed within days, and therefore could be defined as genocide. Since then the next biggest slaughtering in Cyprus happened in 1974 when the Turks, again, killed several 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now you tell me when TCs where "genocided"? In your dream?

TCs in total lost a few 100s people, in a period when they also killed a few 100s of GCs.

If GCs killing some 100s of TCs is an "attempted genocide" then why when the TCs during the same conflict killed some 100s of GCs is not an "attempted genocide"?

These kind of gross exaggerations where you are trying to present yourselves as the only victims of the Cyprus problem are totally ridicuous my friend.

Mr Gramaphone, I am sick to death of your constant use of the above phrases and mis-use of the word 'genocide'. It is only in your sick mind to call those 'killings' in 1571, as genocide. If you find proof that is was a genocide, ok. But until then, call it 'war losses'.

Please tell me that the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem during the first crusade was not greater than the losses at the siege of Nicosia.

The figures for the Jerusalem massacre range from 70, 000 to 130, 000 men, women and children. I offer you the lower figure as Medievel and middle age writers are not too reliable. I am too polite to call you a liar, lets just say its a distortion of the truth to suit your own arguments.

Have you read Jerrys link yet. Funny they talk about Cypriot pirates. When I mentioned them to you, you couldnt stop laughing.

[halil]

Cyprus' history from 1960 to 1974 (6)



The articles published in my column under the titles "Cyprus: The complete history from 1960 to 1974" and "Cyprus' history from 1960 to 1974" on Dec. 17, 24, 29, and 31 of 2007 and Jan. 5 and 7 of 2008 were unintentionally taken in part from "The Cyprus Conflict, the Main Narrative," written by the late British journalist and historian Keith Kyle and Professor William Hale
The complete article can be read on the Internet at http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/narrative-main.htm and http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/narrative-main-%203.htm. Part of "The Cyprus Conflict, The Main Narrative," written by Kyle, is excerpted from the book "Turkish Foreign Policy, 1774-2000," London: Frank Cass Publishers, 2000, authored by Professor Hale.

The first paragraph of the "The Cyprus Conflict" published on the Internet is as follows:

"A narrative is a descriptive account of what happened over a period of time. In any complex history, there may be many competing narratives, and these will vary according to the competence, bias, resources or goals of the narrator. Every historical document, even scholarship, will suffer from some bias or incompleteness. In Cyprus, each community has its own quasi-official narrative, relaying and justifying its interpretation of events in the light of current political discourse. These aspects of narratives are discussed elsewhere in this site, in the section titled 'Historiography & Nationalism.'

"This main narrative was authored by Keith Kyle, a distinguished British journalist and historian, who wrote this in 1983 for the Minority Rights Group, an independent human-rights organization in London. Kyle's narrative is a balanced, well-researched history, and provides an excellent axis for all the documents on the site. The final segment of the main narrative was authored by William Hale, a British scholar. "

This narrative tells the true story of the Cyprus issue as written by an unbiased journalist and authored by an unbiased academician, making it very reliable, academic and citable.

I offer my appreciation to Kyle and Hale for their research and publication and to the Minority Rights Group for requesting and financing such a high-quality and priceless work, detailing in depth the Cyprus issue, which has caused many hidden and suppressed facts to surface.

The above-mentioned book and the excerpted narrative will play a significant role and will serve as a reliable source of reference for scholars, bureaucrats and politicians in their hard work on the road to finding a solution to the long-lasting Cyprus dispute.

To understand the main causes, or the roots, of the Cyprus dispute, more unbiased information other than pro-Greek publications should also be read. I recommend all my readers who are interested in the detailed facts on the Cyprus dispute or who are researching the Cyprus problem in depth to obtain this book or visit the Web sites provided above.

The 1960 Republic of Cyprus agreements were based on equality and partnership between the two peoples for the independence and sovereignty of the island. The 1960 Constitution required a joint presence and effective participation on both sides in all aspects of the state to be legitimate.
Neither community had the right to rule over the other, nor could one of the communities claim to govern the other. The aim of the basic articles of both the constitution and subsequent treaties was to safeguard the rights of the two peoples as equals.

It was hoped that the two peoples of the island and their new partners would be able to live peacefully together under this new political partnership.

It soon became obvious that this was not going to be possible. It became clear that the Greek Cypriots and Greece did not intend to abide by the constitution. They did not give up their ambition for the annexation of the island to Greece, and the Greek Cypriot leadership sought to unlawfully bring about constitutional changes.

The only way the Greek Cypriots could achieve their aims was to destroy the legitimate order by the use of force and to take over the joint state. The rule of law collapsed on the island in 1963 after Greek Cypriot militia attacks on Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, killing many men, women and children. Around 270 mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated. An inhuman Turkish Cypriot genocide took place on the island during the "Dark Age," 1963-1974. The constitution became unworkable because of the refusal on the part of the Greek Cypriots to fulfill the obligations to which they had agreed.

The bi-national republic that was imagined by the treaties ceased to exist after December 1963. The Greek Cypriot wing of the "partnership" state took over the title of the "Government of Cyprus," and the Turkish Cypriots, who had never accepted the seizure of power, set up a Turkish administration to run their own affairs.

In the end, the Greek Cypriot state was internationally recognized under the title of the "Government of Cyprus" and brought into the EU, while the Turkish Cypriots were forced in 1985 to unilaterally declare their own administration under the name of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus," which still is not internationally recognized.

The two main peoples on Cyprus, the Turks and the Greeks, share no common language besides English, no common religion and no common literature, nor have they, except on the surface, shared any common culture, from the past up until the present.

A "United Cyprus" or "Cypriot Nation" is a utopian idea that has no hope of realization.

07.01.2008

[repulsewarrior]

...well i read the whole thread.

what i learned about Cyprus history was useful (maybe three postings). what i learned about other forum members is regretful.

all i can say is i don't think there is a murderer amongst us.

we are ordinary people and we speak our thoughts, for whatever reason. I personally do not represent anyone but myself. And it disappoints me to see poor postings, which only reveal a weakness in the thinking of the author, generalisations that focus on race (or ethnicity), where i, or any member, am profiled, becoming a villain or the victim, to pay the price or to be redeemed, as a 'Greek' a 'Turk' or an 'other', as though i have the power to act, to be crushed or to be raised, a quintessential representative, or to able to speak for these 'people'. it will be good in a year from now if upon rereading our own posts a little, we whince, because we have grown.

In Cyprus what we have learned is that there is a difference between those that desire to possess the land and its stewards. As such, it is a poor reflection on all of us if we allow what has endured for thousands of years to be wasted while we are this island's dwellers. This is the real issue, at present, about 'our' history.

And it is a poor reflection on all of us personally, if this whinging and whining, as eric put it, continues on this forum (not unlike so many others) without consideration of what is possible amongst ourselves, for dialog, in an effort to adapt from our learning, against the fear which is so easy to promote.

[Piratis]

Here we go again.

Eric I should remind you that in Cyprus the biggest slaughtering in history was commited by the Turks in 1570 when within days they killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone. That was more than 10% of the population of Cyprus killed within days, and therefore could be defined as genocide. Since then the next biggest slaughtering in Cyprus happened in 1974 when the Turks, again, killed several 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now you tell me when TCs where "genocided"? In your dream?

TCs in total lost a few 100s people, in a period when they also killed a few 100s of GCs.

If GCs killing some 100s of TCs is an "attempted genocide" then why when the TCs during the same conflict killed some 100s of GCs is not an "attempted genocide"?

These kind of gross exaggerations where you are trying to present yourselves as the only victims of the Cyprus problem are totally ridicuous my friend.

Mr Gramaphone, I am sick to death of your constant use of the above phrases and mis-use of the word 'genocide'. It is only in your sick mind to call those 'killings' in 1571, as genocide. If you find proof that is was a genocide, ok. But until then, call it 'war losses'.

Please tell me that the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem during the first crusade was not greater than the losses at the siege of Nicosia.

The figures for the Jerusalem massacre range from 70, 000 to 130, 000 men, women and children. I offer you the lower figure as Medievel and middle age writers are not too reliable. I am too polite to call you a liar, lets just say its a distortion of the truth to suit your own arguments.

Have you read Jerrys link yet. Funny they talk about Cypriot pirates. When I mentioned them to you, you couldnt stop laughing.

You people are funny. You do not complain when Eric uses the word "genocide" to refer to the few 100s of TCs that got killed in a conflict where some 100s of GCs where killed as well, but you object to the word when we are talking about a massacre of 20.000 people

[zan]

Here we go again.

Eric I should remind you that in Cyprus the biggest slaughtering in history was commited by the Turks in 1570 when within days they killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone. That was more than 10% of the population of Cyprus killed within days, and therefore could be defined as genocide. Since then the next biggest slaughtering in Cyprus happened in 1974 when the Turks, again, killed several 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now you tell me when TCs where "genocided"? In your dream?

TCs in total lost a few 100s people, in a period when they also killed a few 100s of GCs.

If GCs killing some 100s of TCs is an "attempted genocide" then why when the TCs during the same conflict killed some 100s of GCs is not an "attempted genocide"?

These kind of gross exaggerations where you are trying to present yourselves as the only victims of the Cyprus problem are totally ridicuous my friend.

Mr Gramaphone, I am sick to death of your constant use of the above phrases and mis-use of the word 'genocide'. It is only in your sick mind to call those 'killings' in 1571, as genocide. If you find proof that is was a genocide, ok. But until then, call it 'war losses'.

Please tell me that the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem during the first crusade was not greater than the losses at the siege of Nicosia.

The figures for the Jerusalem massacre range from 70, 000 to 130, 000 men, women and children. I offer you the lower figure as Medievel and middle age writers are not too reliable. I am too polite to call you a liar, lets just say its a distortion of the truth to suit your own arguments.

Have you read Jerrys link yet. Funny they talk about Cypriot pirates. When I mentioned them to you, you couldnt stop laughing.

You people are funny. You do not complain when Eric uses the word "genocide" to refer to the few 100s of TCs that got killed in a conflict where some 100s of GCs where killed as well, but you object to the word when we are talking about a massacre of 20.000 people

Still having trouble understanding the difference between war and the killing of civilians matey!!!!Try wikipedia......I hear that GR has made some interesting contributions to that "Accurate" web site........Wipe your tears little bay....Crying for 500 years must have made your eyes sore.....