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Postby phoenix » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:09 am

As unlikely as it may be, that any of you Turk-TCs will comprehend this really interesting extract on the life of the Stoic philosopher Zeno . . . I will quote it for personal interest . . .

. . . and it's further evidence that Cyprus was (and is) Hellenic and was inhabited by Greeks and Cypriots thousands of years before you lot left Mongolia . . .

Zeno of Citium was a Hellenistic philosopher born in the 3rd century BC in the town of Citium, a Greek colony on the island of Cyprus which also had a large Phoenician population. None of his writings survive and what is known of his life and his works come down to us through the accounts of others. The major source being Diogenes Laërtius who wrote "The Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers" in the 3rd century B.C. This is a compilation of facts, myths, rumors and excerpts from other writers and contemporaries concerning the life and work of Zeno.

The son of a merchant and a merchant himself, it is said he was exposed to philosophy later in life after a shipwreck off the coast of Attica deposited him in Greece and from there he made his way to Athens. It is also suggested that he was not shipwrecked at all but that he may already have been a student of philosophy. His father was a merchant who had travel to Greece and may have returned with works for his son to study, that on a trade mission to Greece, he simply sold all his cargo at Athens and decided to stay to continue his study of philosophy.

Regardless of how he came to Athens, while there he met the Cynic philosopher Crates who would become his first instructor. he would eventually study under other teachers of the time such as Stilpon, Xenocrates and Polemon until he founded his own school, the Stoa Poikile, around 300 B.C. His school was named for his teaching platform, located on the north side of the Ancient Agora of Athens, the Painted Porch ("stoa" is Greek for "porch"). Laërtius states that he came to Athens when he was twenty-two years and Apollonius says that he presided over his school for forty-eight years.

His teachings were the beginning of Stoicism which was partly based on ideas taught to him by Crates and other Cynic philosophers whose founding father, Antisthenes, had been a disciple of Socrates.

Zeno preached that man conquers the world by conquering himself. He lectured his students on the value of apatheia, which he explained to be the absence of passion. Only by controlling one's emotion and physical desire, he argued, could we develop wisdom. Central to his teachings was the law of morality being the same as nature. Zeno often challenged prohibitions, traditions, and customs and emphasized love for all other beings. Stoicism was the first philosophical school of thought to morally condemn slavery.

He developed the concept of Kathekon meaning befitting or appropriate actions and states that one must always act in accordance with Nature. Zeno's most influential follower was Chrysippus who further developed and taught Stoicism which would later be adopted by thinkers such as Cicero, Seneca the Younger, Marcus Aurelius, Cato the Younger, Dio Chrysostom, and Epictetus. Other philosophers who succeeded Zeno as leaders of the Stoa were Cleanthes, Zeno of Tarsus, Diogenes the Babylonian, Panaetius of Rhodes, Posidonius, and Hecaton.

Zeno lived and taught in Athens until his death of which Persaes asserts that he died at the age of seventy-two while Diogenes Laërtius states he lived ninety-eight years, and then died, without any disease, and continuing in good health to the last. Laërtius goes on to give an account of the details of his death: As he left the school, he tripped, fell and broke a toe. Hitting the ground with his hand, he cited words of Niobe: "I am coming, why do you call me thus?" Since the Stoic sage was expected to always do what was appropriate (kathekon) and Zeno was very old at the time, he felt it appropriate to die and consequently strangled himself.

Zeno refused to become an Athenian citizen since he wanted to be loyal to Cyprus. His pride in his origins and the pride of his countrymen in him is well illustrated by an account told by Antigonus of Carystos which states: Zeno himself never denied that he was a native of Cittium. For that when on one occasion, there was a citizen of that town who had contributed to the building of some baths, and was having his name engraved on the pillar, as the countryman of Zeno the philosopher, he bade them add, "Of Cittium."

Of his physical appearance Apollonius states: he was thin, very tall, of a dark complexion; in reference to which some one once called him an Egyptian. Of his disposition and way of life it is reported: For in reality he did surpass all men in this description of virtue, and in dignity of demeanor, and, by Jove, in happiness. He was a person of great powers of abstinence and endurance; and of very simple habits, living on food which required no fire to dress it, and wearing a thin cloak.

The philosopher Timon of Philus reports: there were also a lot of dirty beggars always about him writing: Till he collected a vast cloud of beggars, Who were of all men in the world the poorest, and the most worthless citizens of Athens. And he himself was a man of a morose and bitter countenance, with a constantly frowning expression. He was very economical, and descended even to the meanness of the barbarians, under the pretence of economy.

he is reported the author of the following works —The Republic, a treatise on a Life according to Nature, one on Appetite, on the Nature of Man; on Passions, on Duty, on Law; on the usual Education of the Greeks, on Sight, on the Whole, on Signs, on the Doctrines of the Pythagoreans, on Things in General, on Styles, five essays on Problems relating to Homer, one on the reading of the Poets. There was also an essay on Art, and two books of Solutions and Refutations, Reminiscences, and one called the Ethics of Crates.

Several Quotes attributed to Zeno:

"Fate is the endless chain of causation, whereby things are; the reason or formula by which the world goes on."
"No evil is honorable: but death is honorable; therefore death is not evil."
"Follow where reason leads."
"We have two ears and one mouth, so we should listen more than we say."
"tranquility can best be reached through indifference to pleasure and pain"



Cyprus is the third-largest island in the Mediterranean which lies off the southern coast of Turkey and the western shore of Syria. The island has been inhabited for more than 12,000 years, first by prehistoric hunter-gathers, later by small farming villages until Mycenaean, Greek and Phoenician culture is believed to arrive in the bronze age around 1600 BC. Soon after the island inhabitants came into contact, and began trade with, Egypt. In the 6th century Cyprus was conquered by Amass of Egypt until Cambyses conquered Egypt and it fell into the hands of the Persians.

Alexander the great claimed the island for the the Macedonians and then the Ptolemies of Egypt controlled it for a time until Rome annexed it in 58-57 BC. It then became a part of the Byzantine empire in 395 which would rule the island for more than 800 years until King Richard I of England captured the island in 1191 during the Third Crusade. In 1192, the French knight Guy of Lusignan purchased the island, in compensation for the loss of his kingdom, from the Templars. The Republic of Venice took control in 1489 until it was conquered by the Ottoman Turks under the command of Lala Kara Mustafa Pasha in 1570 who sacked its palaces, public buildings and churches and massacred more than 20,000 Nicosian Greeks.

Under Ottoman rule the island saw its first major influx of of turkish immigration to the island as those who moved there and stayed were rewarded with money and land. Greek Christians were allowed their own communities but forced to pay steep taxes to Ottoman rulers giving rise to opposition and bloody uprisings. By 1760 the situation in Cyprus was intolerable for both Turk residents and Greek alike. In addition to heavy tax burdens a terrible epidemic of plague, bad crops and earthquakes drove many to leave the island.

Cyprus was placed under British control in 1878 as a result of the Cyprus Convention, which granted control of the island to Britain in return for British support of the Ottoman Empire in the Russian-Turkish War. Cyprus was formally annexed by the United Kingdom in 1913 since Turkey had joined the Central Powers. Many Cypriots signed up to fight in the British Army in both World Wars with the promise that when the war finished Cyprus would be united with Greece.

The British balked at giving Cyprus its independence spawning resistance and opposition movements until, after seemingly endless posturing and debate, Cyprus was declared an independent state on August 16, 1960 with Archbishop Makarios as it president. The terms of its independences and the two ethnic communities at odds with each other made a peaceful workable government all but impossible. Tensions rose and the populations segregated. Greek citizens looked to unify with Greece, Turkish residence looked to unify with Turkey. Animosity grew and the island fractured culminating in a Greek led coup d'etat and Archbishop Makarios was overthrown in a military coup led by the Cypriot National Guard. Soon after Turkey invaded Cyprus claiming it was asserting its right to protect the Turkish Cypriot minority. Turkey gained control of 30% of northern Cyprus and displaced some 180,000 Greek Cypriots.

Talks in Geneva involving Greece, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the two Cypriot factions stalled and Turkish forces continue its military actions on the island. 200,000 Greek Cypriots were displaced from their home land and as reprisal, the entire Turkish Cypriot male population of Tokhni was massacred by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries. A UN-sponsored cease-fire was established on July 22, and Turkish troops were permitted to remain in the north. In December of 1974, Makarios again assumed the presidency. The following year, the island was partitioned into Greek and Turkish territories separated by a UN-occupied buffer zone. The events of the summer of 1974 have dominated Cypriot politics ever since and have been a major point of contention between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, as well as the countries of Greece and Turkey.

Turkish Cypriots proclaimed a separate state under Rauf Denktash in the northern part of the island on Nov. 15, 1983, naming it the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.” The UN Security Council declared this action illegal and called for withdrawal. No country except Turkey has recognized this entity. In May 2004 Cyprus was admitted into the European Union and Turkish Cyprus elected pro-reunification leader Mehmet Ali Talat as their president, ousting longtime leader Rauf Denktash, who staunchly opposed reunification which lends hope to future unification. In 2005, Turkish Cypriots demolished the part of the wall along the boundary that for decades has split its capital and in March 2007, Greek Cypriots demolished the part of the wall on the Greek side.

Cyprus is well known as the island of Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty, who, according to legend, was born there. Throughout ancient history, Cyprus was a flourishing centre for the cultic worship of Aphrodite.


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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:12 am

kafenes wrote:
Link provided by Rajput. The author is not Turkish by the way, so you can not call that Turkish Propaganda. To me it shows that the Ottoman Turks were not the barbarians you often paint them as. Enjoy.


Deniz, what about these killings? Wouldn't you say it was barbaric?

In the summer of 1570, the Ottoman Empire struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on 2 July 1570 and laid siege to Nicosia. On the day the city fell (9 September 1570), 20,000 Nicosians Greeks were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_%28 ... _Empire%29



All killing is barbaric Kafenes.
The points I am raising here is the support they gave to the Orthodox church, and the suggestion that they might even have helped the invaders.

The looting and the killings (giving no quarter) was the normal practice all over Europe at that time. Why would the Ottomans be different. Having given the Greeks their church, why slaughter? We do not know. What else we dont know from this writing is what came first, Granting them their church or the slaughter. My guess is the slaughter after the city refused to surrender. Had they surrendered they might ave been saved. It was barbaric, Kafenes, but those were the days.
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Postby bilako22 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:18 am

The Greeks certainly stole lands belonging to others . Greek Australians from primitive aboriginal peoples and Greek Americans from Indians .Melbourne is full of Greeks . It seems that Greeks are happy to steal but cry like children when they lose land.
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Re: Turks to learn . . .

Postby denizaksulu » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:23 am

phoenix wrote:As unlikely as it may be, that any of you Turk-TCs will comprehend this really interesting extract on the life of the Stoic philosopher Zeno . . . I will quote it for personal interest . . .

. . . and it's further evidence that Cyprus was (and is) Hellenic and was inhabited by Greeks and Cypriots thousands of years before you lot left Mongolia . . .

Zeno of Citium was a Hellenistic philosopher born in the 3rd century BC in the town of Citium, a Greek colony on the island of Cyprus which also had a large Phoenician population. None of his writings survive and what is known of his life and his works come down to us through the accounts of others. The major source being Diogenes Laërtius who wrote "The Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers" in the 3rd century B.C. This is a compilation of facts, myths, rumors and excerpts from other writers and contemporaries concerning the life and work of Zeno.

The son of a merchant and a merchant himself, it is said he was exposed to philosophy later in life after a shipwreck off the coast of Attica deposited him in Greece and from there he made his way to Athens. It is also suggested that he was not shipwrecked at all but that he may already have been a student of philosophy. His father was a merchant who had travel to Greece and may have returned with works for his son to study, that on a trade mission to Greece, he simply sold all his cargo at Athens and decided to stay to continue his study of philosophy.

Regardless of how he came to Athens, while there he met the Cynic philosopher Crates who would become his first instructor. he would eventually study under other teachers of the time such as Stilpon, Xenocrates and Polemon until he founded his own school, the Stoa Poikile, around 300 B.C. His school was named for his teaching platform, located on the north side of the Ancient Agora of Athens, the Painted Porch ("stoa" is Greek for "porch"). Laërtius states that he came to Athens when he was twenty-two years and Apollonius says that he presided over his school for forty-eight years.

His teachings were the beginning of Stoicism which was partly based on ideas taught to him by Crates and other Cynic philosophers whose founding father, Antisthenes, had been a disciple of Socrates.

Zeno preached that man conquers the world by conquering himself. He lectured his students on the value of apatheia, which he explained to be the absence of passion. Only by controlling one's emotion and physical desire, he argued, could we develop wisdom. Central to his teachings was the law of morality being the same as nature. Zeno often challenged prohibitions, traditions, and customs and emphasized love for all other beings. Stoicism was the first philosophical school of thought to morally condemn slavery.

He developed the concept of Kathekon meaning befitting or appropriate actions and states that one must always act in accordance with Nature. Zeno's most influential follower was Chrysippus who further developed and taught Stoicism which would later be adopted by thinkers such as Cicero, Seneca the Younger, Marcus Aurelius, Cato the Younger, Dio Chrysostom, and Epictetus. Other philosophers who succeeded Zeno as leaders of the Stoa were Cleanthes, Zeno of Tarsus, Diogenes the Babylonian, Panaetius of Rhodes, Posidonius, and Hecaton.

Zeno lived and taught in Athens until his death of which Persaes asserts that he died at the age of seventy-two while Diogenes Laërtius states he lived ninety-eight years, and then died, without any disease, and continuing in good health to the last. Laërtius goes on to give an account of the details of his death: As he left the school, he tripped, fell and broke a toe. Hitting the ground with his hand, he cited words of Niobe: "I am coming, why do you call me thus?" Since the Stoic sage was expected to always do what was appropriate (kathekon) and Zeno was very old at the time, he felt it appropriate to die and consequently strangled himself.

Zeno refused to become an Athenian citizen since he wanted to be loyal to Cyprus. His pride in his origins and the pride of his countrymen in him is well illustrated by an account told by Antigonus of Carystos which states: Zeno himself never denied that he was a native of Cittium. For that when on one occasion, there was a citizen of that town who had contributed to the building of some baths, and was having his name engraved on the pillar, as the countryman of Zeno the philosopher, he bade them add, "Of Cittium."

Of his physical appearance Apollonius states: he was thin, very tall, of a dark complexion; in reference to which some one once called him an Egyptian. Of his disposition and way of life it is reported: For in reality he did surpass all men in this description of virtue, and in dignity of demeanor, and, by Jove, in happiness. He was a person of great powers of abstinence and endurance; and of very simple habits, living on food which required no fire to dress it, and wearing a thin cloak.

The philosopher Timon of Philus reports: there were also a lot of dirty beggars always about him writing: Till he collected a vast cloud of beggars, Who were of all men in the world the poorest, and the most worthless citizens of Athens. And he himself was a man of a morose and bitter countenance, with a constantly frowning expression. He was very economical, and descended even to the meanness of the barbarians, under the pretence of economy.

he is reported the author of the following works —The Republic, a treatise on a Life according to Nature, one on Appetite, on the Nature of Man; on Passions, on Duty, on Law; on the usual Education of the Greeks, on Sight, on the Whole, on Signs, on the Doctrines of the Pythagoreans, on Things in General, on Styles, five essays on Problems relating to Homer, one on the reading of the Poets. There was also an essay on Art, and two books of Solutions and Refutations, Reminiscences, and one called the Ethics of Crates.

Several Quotes attributed to Zeno:

"Fate is the endless chain of causation, whereby things are; the reason or formula by which the world goes on."
"No evil is honorable: but death is honorable; therefore death is not evil."
"Follow where reason leads."
"We have two ears and one mouth, so we should listen more than we say."
"tranquility can best be reached through indifference to pleasure and pain"



Cyprus is the third-largest island in the Mediterranean which lies off the southern coast of Turkey and the western shore of Syria. The island has been inhabited for more than 12,000 years, first by prehistoric hunter-gathers, later by small farming villages until Mycenaean, Greek and Phoenician culture is believed to arrive in the bronze age around 1600 BC. Soon after the island inhabitants came into contact, and began trade with, Egypt. In the 6th century Cyprus was conquered by Amass of Egypt until Cambyses conquered Egypt and it fell into the hands of the Persians.

Alexander the great claimed the island for the the Macedonians and then the Ptolemies of Egypt controlled it for a time until Rome annexed it in 58-57 BC. It then became a part of the Byzantine empire in 395 which would rule the island for more than 800 years until King Richard I of England captured the island in 1191 during the Third Crusade. In 1192, the French knight Guy of Lusignan purchased the island, in compensation for the loss of his kingdom, from the Templars. The Republic of Venice took control in 1489 until it was conquered by the Ottoman Turks under the command of Lala Kara Mustafa Pasha in 1570 who sacked its palaces, public buildings and churches and massacred more than 20,000 Nicosian Greeks.

Under Ottoman rule the island saw its first major influx of of turkish immigration to the island as those who moved there and stayed were rewarded with money and land. Greek Christians were allowed their own communities but forced to pay steep taxes to Ottoman rulers giving rise to opposition and bloody uprisings. By 1760 the situation in Cyprus was intolerable for both Turk residents and Greek alike. In addition to heavy tax burdens a terrible epidemic of plague, bad crops and earthquakes drove many to leave the island.

Cyprus was placed under British control in 1878 as a result of the Cyprus Convention, which granted control of the island to Britain in return for British support of the Ottoman Empire in the Russian-Turkish War. Cyprus was formally annexed by the United Kingdom in 1913 since Turkey had joined the Central Powers. Many Cypriots signed up to fight in the British Army in both World Wars with the promise that when the war finished Cyprus would be united with Greece.

The British balked at giving Cyprus its independence spawning resistance and opposition movements until, after seemingly endless posturing and debate, Cyprus was declared an independent state on August 16, 1960 with Archbishop Makarios as it president. The terms of its independences and the two ethnic communities at odds with each other made a peaceful workable government all but impossible. Tensions rose and the populations segregated. Greek citizens looked to unify with Greece, Turkish residence looked to unify with Turkey. Animosity grew and the island fractured culminating in a Greek led coup d'etat and Archbishop Makarios was overthrown in a military coup led by the Cypriot National Guard. Soon after Turkey invaded Cyprus claiming it was asserting its right to protect the Turkish Cypriot minority. Turkey gained control of 30% of northern Cyprus and displaced some 180,000 Greek Cypriots.

Talks in Geneva involving Greece, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the two Cypriot factions stalled and Turkish forces continue its military actions on the island. 200,000 Greek Cypriots were displaced from their home land and as reprisal, the entire Turkish Cypriot male population of Tokhni was massacred by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries. A UN-sponsored cease-fire was established on July 22, and Turkish troops were permitted to remain in the north. In December of 1974, Makarios again assumed the presidency. The following year, the island was partitioned into Greek and Turkish territories separated by a UN-occupied buffer zone. The events of the summer of 1974 have dominated Cypriot politics ever since and have been a major point of contention between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, as well as the countries of Greece and Turkey.

Turkish Cypriots proclaimed a separate state under Rauf Denktash in the northern part of the island on Nov. 15, 1983, naming it the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.” The UN Security Council declared this action illegal and called for withdrawal. No country except Turkey has recognized this entity. In May 2004 Cyprus was admitted into the European Union and Turkish Cyprus elected pro-reunification leader Mehmet Ali Talat as their president, ousting longtime leader Rauf Denktash, who staunchly opposed reunification which lends hope to future unification. In 2005, Turkish Cypriots demolished the part of the wall along the boundary that for decades has split its capital and in March 2007, Greek Cypriots demolished the part of the wall on the Greek side.

Cyprus is well known as the island of Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty, who, according to legend, was born there. Throughout ancient history, Cyprus was a flourishing centre for the cultic worship of Aphrodite.


http://www.cachecoins.org/cyprus01.htm



Thanks for re-introducing me to Zeno. I often looked at his bust on the Larnaca sea front. We read about him in high school, but I prefered Alcibiades' discourses. Well, my uncle only had the discourses and no Zeno, so could not fllow up.

You are becoming as repetitive as Piratis, Phoenix. The Turks know where they come from and they all know the Greek colonists were there before the Turks. What are you trying to prove. Running out of ideas?

More up your street, what do you think of the new bug that has hit the uk, the 'Vomiting bug'. Any theories? Mind you dont transfer any to Cyprus. :lol:
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Postby kafenes » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:44 am

denizaksulu wrote:
kafenes wrote:
Link provided by Rajput. The author is not Turkish by the way, so you can not call that Turkish Propaganda. To me it shows that the Ottoman Turks were not the barbarians you often paint them as. Enjoy.


Deniz, what about these killings? Wouldn't you say it was barbaric?

In the summer of 1570, the Ottoman Empire struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on 2 July 1570 and laid siege to Nicosia. On the day the city fell (9 September 1570), 20,000 Nicosians Greeks were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_%28 ... _Empire%29



All killing is barbaric Kafenes.
The points I am raising here is the support they gave to the Orthodox church, and the suggestion that they might even have helped the invaders.

The looting and the killings (giving no quarter) was the normal practice all over Europe at that time. Why would the Ottomans be different. Having given the Greeks their church, why slaughter? We do not know. What else we dont know from this writing is what came first, Granting them their church or the slaughter. My guess is the slaughter after the city refused to surrender. Had they surrendered they might ave been saved. It was barbaric, Kafenes, but those were the days.


Deniz, it clearly says 'after the siege'. Your guess is only your excuse for not wanting to admit. You know, it takes balls to say sorry and so far I haven't seen one word of apology on this forum by TCs.

How would you like me to say that the mass killings of some TC villages by EOKA were barbaric but those were the days. Had they left the villages they might have saved themselves. But as I have admitted long before, I am ashamed and sorry to what happened to these people.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:56 am

zan wrote:All that shit above about being Hellenic and then we get them being the first Cypriots...Do they know what they are doing...Forgive them father for they have lost their marbles.......So you are Greeks...What did you o to the Cypriots and where did you bury them?????????


Here we go again :roll:

At the time the Greeks first came to Cyprus the population of the whole world was less than 50 million people. The population of Cyprus was just a couple of thousands. The concept of a "country" did not exist in our area, rather what existed where separate and autonomous settlements. Greeks funded their own city states on uninhabited land and slowly (several centuries) integrated with those Cypriots that existed before them and created Greek Cypriots with their own unique Greek dialect.

Cyprus could not have been part of a "Greek State" because such state did not exist until very recently after Greeks won their independence from the Ottoman Turks with the revolution of 1821. Cypriots wanted and tried to revolt against the Ottomans and later the British so they could also be part of the first unified Greek State, and we all know the history about this.

If you deny that Cyprus was Hellenic because it was not part of a "Greek State" it is like denying that Athens, Sparta and all the other Greek city states were Hellenic because they did not exist within a "Greek country" but as independent city states.

Instead of some Turkish Cypriots trying to deny the history of their own island just because they are tough to reject everything Hellenic it would have been better to embrace it as their own history as well, the same way we embrace and accept the effect that the Ottoman rule had on us without which Cypriots wouldn't be the same as they are today.

The grandparents of most of you spoke Greek, and for some of them Greek was their first language. Some Turkish Cypriots in fact didn't even speak Turkish. Forcing Turkish Cypriots to stop speaking Greek was the first stage of a series of actions that had as an aim the division of the Cypriot people, the partition of Cyprus and the Turkification of the north part of our island.

The extremist TCs of the kind of Eric Dayi first removed everything Greek from Turkish Cypriots and from the lands they illegally occupy, and now they are in the process of removing everything Cypriot as well, to complete the Turkification of the north part of our country.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:03 am

denizaksulu, the Ottomans used the Orthodox Church as their tax collectors. As long as the Archibishop was loyal to the Ottomans then great. If the Ottomans even suspected that the Archibishop would do something against their orders then they would simply execute him, as it happened with Archibishop Kyprianos on 9th July of 1821.

Apart from some massive slaughters I do not claim that the Turkish rule was worst than the rest. However it was just another foreign ruler who had Cyprus under its empire for the sole reason of exploiting the land and its people.
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Re: Turks to learn . . .

Postby Eric dayi » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:10 am

phoenix wrote:As unlikely as it may be, that any of you Turk-TCs will comprehend this really interesting extract on the life of the Stoic philosopher Zeno . . . I will quote it for personal interest . . .

. . . and it's further evidence that Cyprus was (and is) Hellenic and was inhabited by Greeks and Cypriots thousands of years before you lot left Mongolia . . .


In your desperation you are posting one crap after another little puppet but where is your truth that Cyprus was ever Greek?

When was there ever a Greek/GC King/Government in Cyprus that you can surprise the world with?

I guess a puppeteer like yourself has no problem creating a "Hellenic Empire" that ruled or still rules over Cyprus in your bedroom, or maybe you have a purpose built garden shed to live out your fantasies? That would be the only time Greeks owned Cyprus though but never in reality.

BTW, what happened to the "Cypriots", changed to GCs again?

First you were Greeks and attempted to genocide us TCs for ENOSIS. When you lost that hope you tried to make everyone believe "we're all Cypriots" but that didn't work either. Now you are back to "Hellenes". Do you think that you'll have a better chance of success this time round?

This is nothing but proof that you GCs do exactly what TPapadope tell you to do and you repeat his words like parrots.

He says "we're all Cypriots" and you all scream "we're all Cypriots".

He then talks about "Cypriot Hellenism" and again you spew up the exact same crap that he does.

There's no consistency in you GCs, you change your minds about your identity like people change their shirts. And you expect us to take you seriously and believe what you say?

As far as you GCs are concerned TPapadope has only left you with only two options, you either share power with us TCs or partition and knowing full well what TPapadope has been working on it will not be power sharing.

Enjoy the rest of your life looking in from the outside. You've got what you wanted, a Greek only ruled country and you deserved to loose one third of the island.

Although isolated we TCs got what we needed and deserved, with your help of course:wink:, one third of the island and our own country to live safely from Greek/GC aggression.

All that remains to seal the partition now is to compensate those who lost land, including myself and everyone should a happy bunny...or a happy puppet in your case. :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Postby utu » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:47 am

Eric,

Can you answer this: Do you think that the number of Turkish military personel in the North of Cyprus is beneficial, or detrimental to the problem? 40,000 really seems like an excessively high number, given the proximity of Turkey to Cyprus, and the relatively low number of Greek and Greek Cypriot forces south of the Green Line...
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Postby 74LB » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:28 am

Did Piratis really say this ...........

..... the same way we embrace and accept the effect that the Ottoman rule had on us .....
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