Bad news for Turkey
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Bad news for Turkey
by erolz » Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:57 am
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by Saint Jimmy » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:05 am
Do you guys think this might be a big deal? I mean, is there a good chance something might change because of this guy's resigning, or is it just another resignation? 
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by insan » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:10 am
These are tiresome plaints. The laughably inept efforts of the Turkish
government to deny its policies of torture are given the lie by friends of
victims sch as Yavuz Onen. The 57-year-old architect goes back a bit with the
governemnt's violence. In 1972, he was arrested and detained on a political
charge. He was beaten and electric shocks were applied to his genitals.
Late last year, Onen was charged with violating Turkey's 1991
anti-terrorism law. The offense involved the foundation;s report titled "
File of Torture: Deaths in Detention Places or Prisons (Sept.12,
1990-Sept.12, 1994)." Details were given on the deaths of 420 citizens while
in detention in those four years. Onen won an acquittal earlier this year.
In additon to offering facts to memebers of Congress about Turkey's human
rights abuses, Onen was in the United States for another reason: to receive
an award from the International Human Rights Group. The visibility of such a
prize offers protection of a sort. The government is likely to be cautious in
going after Onen now. He is no longer internationally anonymous, as are large
numbers of the tortured and detained.
John Salzburg of the Wasington office of the Center for Victims of Tortur,
the 10-year-old Minneapolis organization that is the largest of six programs
nationally that minister to many of the estimated 200,000 torture victioms
who have come to the United States over the last two decades, sees Onen as a
model of bravery: " He is obviously taking risks. He seems to be fearless in
his defense of human rights, particularly those of Kurds who are the most
vulneralble."
Someday, Yavuz Onen may receive another award: from a future prime
minister of a reformed Turkey honoring him for working so long and nobly to
elevate the governemt to its better self.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Co ... ertise.htm
government to deny its policies of torture are given the lie by friends of
victims sch as Yavuz Onen. The 57-year-old architect goes back a bit with the
governemnt's violence. In 1972, he was arrested and detained on a political
charge. He was beaten and electric shocks were applied to his genitals.
Late last year, Onen was charged with violating Turkey's 1991
anti-terrorism law. The offense involved the foundation;s report titled "
File of Torture: Deaths in Detention Places or Prisons (Sept.12,
1990-Sept.12, 1994)." Details were given on the deaths of 420 citizens while
in detention in those four years. Onen won an acquittal earlier this year.
In additon to offering facts to memebers of Congress about Turkey's human
rights abuses, Onen was in the United States for another reason: to receive
an award from the International Human Rights Group. The visibility of such a
prize offers protection of a sort. The government is likely to be cautious in
going after Onen now. He is no longer internationally anonymous, as are large
numbers of the tortured and detained.
John Salzburg of the Wasington office of the Center for Victims of Tortur,
the 10-year-old Minneapolis organization that is the largest of six programs
nationally that minister to many of the estimated 200,000 torture victioms
who have come to the United States over the last two decades, sees Onen as a
model of bravery: " He is obviously taking risks. He seems to be fearless in
his defense of human rights, particularly those of Kurds who are the most
vulneralble."
Someday, Yavuz Onen may receive another award: from a future prime
minister of a reformed Turkey honoring him for working so long and nobly to
elevate the governemt to its better self.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Co ... ertise.htm
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by insan » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:15 am
Human rights association criticizes Erdogan's attitude on torture
Under the above title Turkish Daily News (09.10.04) reports the following:
“Human Rights Foundation of Turkey (TIHV) President Yavuz Onen and Human Rights Association (IHD) President Husnu Ondul released a statement on Friday, alleging that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had said that people working for human rights associations had links to terrorist organizations and had called for investigations initiated into their affairs.
Onen and Ondul noted that both the IHD and TIHV described the torture in Turkey as systematic in accordance with the guidelines set by the United Nations, adding that the government's responsibility in such crimes was to assess and investigate in a timely manner.
They said that Erdogan's conduct against human rights organizations ran counter to his recent speech at the Council of Europe, when the prime minister had said that they had zero tolerance for torture.
They said that Erdogan's statement made against human rights supporters were unfortunate, noting that they still remembered the murders of the human rights supporters that happened in the 1990s.”
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/0 ... ment&print
Under the above title Turkish Daily News (09.10.04) reports the following:
“Human Rights Foundation of Turkey (TIHV) President Yavuz Onen and Human Rights Association (IHD) President Husnu Ondul released a statement on Friday, alleging that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had said that people working for human rights associations had links to terrorist organizations and had called for investigations initiated into their affairs.
Onen and Ondul noted that both the IHD and TIHV described the torture in Turkey as systematic in accordance with the guidelines set by the United Nations, adding that the government's responsibility in such crimes was to assess and investigate in a timely manner.
They said that Erdogan's conduct against human rights organizations ran counter to his recent speech at the Council of Europe, when the prime minister had said that they had zero tolerance for torture.
They said that Erdogan's statement made against human rights supporters were unfortunate, noting that they still remembered the murders of the human rights supporters that happened in the 1990s.”
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/0 ... ment&print
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by insan » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:36 am
Saint Jimmy wrote:Do you guys think this might be a big deal? I mean, is there a good chance something might change because of this guy's resigning, or is it just another resignation?
As long as majority of EU needs Turkey because of various interests and reasons and believe that they will be able to Europeanize Turkey in the long run; it's not a big deal, of course.
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by Saint Jimmy » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:41 am
insan wrote:Saint Jimmy wrote:Do you guys think this might be a big deal? I mean, is there a good chance something might change because of this guy's resigning, or is it just another resignation?
As long as majority of EU needs Turkey because of various interests and reasons and believe that they will be able to Europeanize Turkey in the long run; it's not a big deal, of course.
Oh, yeah... No, I was thinking more Cyprus-problem-wise...
'Turkey and its minority issues' is mentioned somewhere in the article. If Turkey is forced to concessions internally, regarding its minorities, wouldn't that impact on the TC numerical minority in Cyprus? At least because someone in T-Pap's posse will realize what's going on... Well, you already know how likely it is that he'll bring it up if it happens...
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by insan » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:52 am
Well, you already know how likely it is that he'll bring it up if it happens...
Sure, jimmy.
I have even strong doubts that this is another Hellene-Kurdish-Armenian plot against Turkey.
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by erolz » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:56 am
Saint Jimmy wrote: Oh, yeah... No, I was thinking more Cyprus-problem-wise...
'Turkey and its minority issues' is mentioned somewhere in the article. If Turkey is forced to concessions internally, regarding its minorities, wouldn't that impact on the TC numerical minority in Cyprus? At least because someone in T-Pap's posse will realize what's going on... Well, you already know how likely it is that he'll bring it up if it happens...
Personaly I would love for Turkey to unilateraly grant Turkish Kurds the kind of rights and protections as a community that the TC want in Cyprus. I think that such a move would bring much credit to Turkey, ease it's EU entry and also be the biggest support possible for the TC communites cause both internally to Cyprus and externally. Not likely to happen though.
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by insan » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:08 am
erolz wrote:Saint Jimmy wrote: Oh, yeah... No, I was thinking more Cyprus-problem-wise...
'Turkey and its minority issues' is mentioned somewhere in the article. If Turkey is forced to concessions internally, regarding its minorities, wouldn't that impact on the TC numerical minority in Cyprus? At least because someone in T-Pap's posse will realize what's going on... Well, you already know how likely it is that he'll bring it up if it happens...
Personaly I would love for Turkey to unilateraly grant Turkish Kurds the kind of rights and protections as a community that the TC want in Cyprus. I think that such a move would bring much credit to Turkey, ease it's EU entry and also be the biggest support possible for the TC communites cause both internally to Cyprus and externally. Not likely to happen though.
I agree with you erolz. However, at least half of the Turkish Parliament already comprise of Kurdish origin RoT citizens. There are so many high ranked Kurdish origin RoT citizens in army. Turgut Ozal one of the most famous RoT Pm and president was a Kurdish origin RoT citizen. In big cities of Turkey, most of the richest businessmen are Kurdish origin RoT citizens. I don't think those who want autonomy or a seperate Kurdish state constitutes majority of Kurdish origin RoT citizens. The Kurds who provoke some ordinary RoT citizen Kurds are the Kurds of neighbouring countries, imo. Some groups of Hellenes and Armenians give big support to those seperatist Kurds.
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