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Postby zan » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:47 pm

Nikitas wrote:Grivas was in the mountains, yes. And the Greek Cypriots were under daily curfew, from 7 pm till 7 am, during which time Zan the Turkish Cypriot fanatics, under the eyes of TC cops would come over to our areas and burned, beat and looted. Read up on it. It is in all kinds of newspapers of the time. And Denktash has described how the event that unleashed this noble behavior of the "victims" was a self planted bomb. EOKA did not attack the TCs so Denktash and the TMT made sure there would be a "cause". All of it was part of the KIP plan but you are stuck on the Akritas, you leave no room in your brain for anything else.

The first major intercommunal slaughter happened in Gionelly village under the eyes of the British in 1958. What had EOKA done to provoke that attack? What did the people of Omorfita do in 1958 to deserve their expulsion? Where was Gibbons to be an eyewitness to those events?



The room is there mate but he conditions under which these things happened and the game that was played to prevent the Akritas plan from working is something that you refuse to acknowledge. How about you give us some independent details and examples of what you are referring to.

Glafcos Clerides said that the aim of the Gcs was ENOSIS and the aim of the TCs was to prevent this. One must come before the other otherwise he second does not exist...Perhaps you can open your mind to that fact and then free your ideas to see the real picture. :roll: :roll:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:01 pm

Happy new year to all :lol: :lol: :lol:

So what do we have here?

Read our propaganda, it's biased, but... well... read it... even make it compulsory at your schools. By Noaxe

The GC propaganda machine excels, ours sucks.... by shah

Get fxxx Turk....by Palio

blah blah by Zan ( I haven't read it)

An effort to put some sense by Nikitas

Well the forum is full of discussions about this Gibbons writer. ... Nothing more to say really.

Happy new year guys. And happy Euros CY €€€€€€€€



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Postby bilako22 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:04 pm

Palio , I bet you just love it the way your fingers are sorting out all these barbarian Turks . Sweet revenge for what your people went through in 1974. Keep it up.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:09 pm

I am not refuting that the ideal of EOKA was Enosis. Nor do I refuse to see that Enosis was unacceptable from the TC point of view. What you are refusing to see is that to counter Enosis the TCs fell into a mainland Turkish trap which was the KIP plan, the plan to regain Cyprus. Seeing that EOKA was too busy with the British to involve itself with the TCs, (which in any case it could not have done, as a hotly pursued guerrilla organization it could not engage in street fighting), the TCs attacked civilians. These attacks were planned and organized. They went on with British silent acceptance. Evidence that not one TC was arrested or sentenced for having arms, while many GCs were hanged for the same offence.

In short, the intercommunal violence was started deliberately by Turkey as part of the KIP plan. It was the cornerstone of their policy to prove that the two communities could not live together. It was this policy which tainted the 1960 agreements as much as the Enosis dream. Our side happened to have suffered directly from mainland Greek mistakes and to have fought back.

It is the same policy which today wants to impose the "masters of north partners in the south" deal in a solution.

I am wondering how long it is going to take you to see past the mainland Turkish crap and fight back.
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Postby halil » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:21 pm

forum members must read below report.
SMALL IMAGINATIONS: GREEK CYPRIOT CHILDREN'S CONSTRUCTIONS OF "THE
TURK"
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Postby zan » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:24 pm

Nikitas wrote:I am not refuting that the ideal of EOKA was Enosis. Nor do I refuse to see that Enosis was unacceptable from the TC point of view. What you are refusing to see is that to counter Enosis the TCs fell into a mainland Turkish trap which was the KIP plan, the plan to regain Cyprus. Seeing that EOKA was too busy with the British to involve itself with the TCs, (which in any case it could not have done, as a hotly pursued guerrilla organization it could not engage in street fighting), the TCs attacked civilians. These attacks were planned and organized. They went on with British silent acceptance. Evidence that not one TC was arrested or sentenced for having arms, while many GCs were hanged for the same offence.

In short, the intercommunal violence was started deliberately by Turkey as part of the KIP plan. It was the cornerstone of their policy to prove that the two communities could not live together. It was this policy which tainted the 1960 agreements as much as the Enosis dream. Our side happened to have suffered directly from mainland Greek mistakes and to have fought back.

It is the same policy which today wants to impose the "masters of north partners in the south" deal in a solution.

I am wondering how long it is going to take you to see past the mainland Turkish crap and fight back.


The minute that you guys see the result of EBNOSIS and the Akritas Plan which is still working for you. The "RoC" is an illegal state in these circumstances and when that is put right then we can look at the other problems...We cannot play into the hands of this plan especially when it's author is in power right now. I have no problem in saying that in the search for EOKA thugs innocent people were caught up unlawfully but that does not excuse the fact that our constitution and our country was hijacked and is still being held to ransom by the existing "RoC".
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:43 pm

After the Turkish propaganda lets now finally see some facts.

Genocide did happen in Cyprus, and that was committed by Turks against the Cypriots. When turks first invaded Cyprus, in one of their attacks alone, killed 20.000 people, a huge proportion of the Cyprus population at that time.

From the country studies of the USA Library of Congress:
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.


According to Ottoman census in 1571 when they first invaded Cyprus the population of our island was 197.586. When the British took over 3 centuries later the population was only 186.173. Over those 3 centuries the population of Cyprus should have at least doubled, not reduced. However Cypriots where constantly killed and starved to death by the Turks, actions that can clearly classify as genocide.

Such mass murder did not happen again in Cyprus until the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 where within days the Turks have killed 1000s of Cypriots and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands.

Now to the Turkish propaganda claims, some answers with facts:

It is a usual Turkish propaganda tactic that they commit the crimes and then not only they do not admit them, but by gross exaggerations and lies they are trying to put the blame on the other side in order to excuse further crimes against them. (The Armenian genocide is another example).

During the inter-communal conflict an about equal amount of people had been killed from both sides. So even if you want to classify the killing of a few 100s of people spread over a period of several years as genocide, then you would have to claim the same for the Greek Cypriots killed by the TCs during the exact same period. How can the killing of a few 100s of TCs constitute a genocide, while the killing of a few 100s of GCs during the exact same period and conflict not constitute a genocide?

Personally I believe that calling a conflict where the victims of each side where less that the people that die today in road accidents in Cyprus every year is a gross exaggeration, but if you want to do it then you can not use double standards and you have to claim it for both sides.

According to the demographic facts between 1960 and 1974 there was no demographic change in the population of Cyprus, something which clearly shows that there was no genocide during that period, and that any killings where "balanced" between both sides, and not a genocide of one side against the other:

From a Council of Europe report:

According to the censuses which took place in Cyprus before the factual partition of the island, the Greek Cypriot community amounted to 447,901 (78,2%) in 1960, and to 498,511 (78,9%) in 19734. The Turkish Cypriot community numbered 103,822 (18,1%) people in 1960, and 116 000 (18,4%) in 1973. The total population of Cyprus was 572,707 in 1960 and 631,778 in 1973 (see Appendix 3, Table 1). An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.
http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm


So, is there anybody who would like to talk with facts, or you know your propaganda has no chance against the truth and you will resort to your usual name calling and empty slogans?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:55 pm

Where did the Council of Europe get those figures? GCs?

Obviously you need to be reminded the fear with which TCs lived...

Sampson:"Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed 'enosis,'I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus." Eleftherotipia, Feb. 26,1981

Death was in the air and everyone had to fight to survive, your dream of enosis was within reach the only obstacles we the TCs, so you proceeded to fuck everything up, now you claim we are all "Cypriots" puh to little to late.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:02 pm

VP, "would have" is not the same as "did".

Turks DID commit genocides against us and others, and what you have to say to excuse your crimes is "would have" :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:09 pm

Piratis wrote:VP, "would have" is not the same as "did".

Turks DID commit genocides against us and others, and what you have to say to excuse your crimes is "would have" :roll:


Piratis I apologise for what my great great great great great grandfather did but isnt it an awful long time to bear a grudge, makes me think that your we are all Cypriots bullshit is just another way of trying to get your own back just like 1963 to 1974.

Genocide in my mind is like the Jewish holocaust or Rwanda where is it planned and programmed, the rest are a result of conflict and war.

So neither the Ottomans or the GCs caused a genocide, there was conflict and war, one conquered a land and the other tried to eradicate those that got in its way.
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