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[erolz]

Anyways, when you deny things that are self evident there is nothing else to talk about.

I am not denying anything. The results of Turkish action in 74 can accurately be described as ethnic cleansing (as can the events of 63-68 as well). What I am questioning is why you (we) chose to use emotive terms - accurate as they may be, when we could chose otherwise. The only reason I can think of in such a choice is to try and 'inflame passions'. When you (we) insit of the use of emotive terms only for one sides actions and deny them for 'our' side then the objective would seem to be to inflame passions and to make some propaganda.

As you said names do not count.

No no no. I am saying that _choices_ count. You (we) can chose to use the most emotive terms we can find to describe events or we can chose to do otherwise. It is eactly because the choices of words do count that such choices are so important.

Just tell me this: If one day we have the power to kick all TCs out of Cyprus, should I support it?

No more than I would support GC being kicked out of Cyprus. If you had the power to take back a % of Cyprus that you lost or even a % that you lost plus some extra - then maybe you should support it. But to kick us out alltogeather? No you should not any more that we should have supported kicking you out all togeaher in 74.

Personaly I do not support the use of force at all. Not in 55 by GC. Not in 63 by GC (or TC). Not in 74. Not in 2004. I do not even support the use of force for self defense though I do accept the difference between use of force in defence and use of force in aggression.

[Piratis]

The results of Turkish action in 74 can accurately be described as ethnic cleansing (as can the events of 63-68 as well).

There are many big differences between the two. The main one is that after 68, TCs returned to their homes. We didn't force them to leave forever, change the names of their villages, and try to remove everything Turkish from the area.
So that was a 5 year conflict, not ethnic cleansing. I am not saying this conflict was something "ok". Of course it was not. I am just saying that it has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing.

You (we) can chose to use the most emotive terms we can find to describe events or we can chose to do otherwise.

Sure we can. You for example remain more or less calm most of the time. However people like Insan, and now Deejay are often very provocative. So the reply is analogous.

If you had the power to take back a % of Cyprus that you lost or even a % that you lost plus some extra - then maybe you should support it.

We don't want "extra". What we want is what belongs to us. This is the whole Cyprus, because Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots together.

[MicAtCyp]

Just tell me this: If one day we have the power to kick all TCs out of Cyprus, should I support it?

Certainly not! In fact if we had the power to "enforce" something, I would "enforce" the solution I am advocating in this forum, and two years after make a referendum to ask them if they are happy or not, and if they are not, what else they want.

In fact this is what distinguishes the barbarians from the civilised.When you have the power you have to be generous to the weak.Something of course we didn't do in the 60s.

[MicAtCyp]

Piratis

it is a well know fact that Turkeys effort was to de-rail Cyprus EU road.They said it a hundred times, but we were not listening. In fact thats what they tried with the Anan Plan with the help of their American hash-Co-partners. (the unexplainable love of the US for them IS for the hash bussiness and it was so from the late 60s)

Soon this game will end up with partition. Perhaps this is what whole world and Cypriots are working for consciously or unconsciously

OK for the sake of discussion lets assume you are right. How do you see it evolving? What will be the percentage of partition?

[insan]

OK for the sake of discussion lets assume you are right. How do you see it evolving? What will be the percentage of partition?

According to the land registry records and economic viability, productivity of the land. How else it could be?

TC side gradually will give back the land and GC properties within that land that don't percentagely belong to themselves. In addition to this loss of use of all Cypriots from 1963 until 2005 and value difference of invested land and properties should be calculated in order to compensate any kind of right holders. Don't expect us to give you the buildings, villas, appartments, citrus and olive tree gardens that TCs created in last 30 years for free within the percentage of land that we will give back.

[Viewpoint]

Sounds good to me Insan an end to all the poltical comedy, time wasting and endless years of another date another election delays excusses, insults on and on.

Finality even the word sounds good in the context of bring this mess to a close.

[MicAtCyp]

TC side gradually will give back the land and GC properties within that land that don't percentagely belong to themselves. In addition to this loss of use of all Cypriots from 1963 until 2005 and value difference of invested land and properties should be calculated in order to compensate any kind of right holders. Don't expect us to give you the buildings, villas, appartments, citrus and olive tree gardens that TCs created in last 30 years for free within the percentage of land that we will give back.

So you think by calculating the loss of use over all these periods you will be on top?Just simple maths:
Loss of use for us =on (37%-9%) of land for a period of 30 years
Loss of use for you=On 9% of land for a period of 30 years+ 4-5% of land for a period of 10 years.
Simple math says you will pay us 2-3 times as much as we will pay you!! Do you know what this means? For a period of 30 years it means more than the value of land and buildings themselves.

It means 2-3 times a trillion pounds!!!!!!! And it's in Cyprus pounds (each one of which equals to 2 US$) not in Turkish pounds!!!


Anyhow when I asked how you see partition evolving i meant it's timetable

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Sounds good to me Insan an end to all the poltical comedy, time wasting and endless years of another date another election delays excusses, insults on and on.
Finality even the word sounds good in the context of bring this mess to a close.

Got excited again PartitionView?

[insan]

It means 2-3 times a trillion pounds!!!!!!! And it's in Cyprus pounds (each one of which equals to 2 US$) not in Turkish pounds!!!

It's in your dreams.


Loss of use of TC-GC refugees between 1963-67
Loss of use of TC-GC refugees between 1967-74
Loss of use of TC-GC refugees between 1974-2005

In 1974-2005 period, due to inhumane embargos the loss of use of TC refugees and non Tc refugees is at least 100 times more than the GC refugees. All of the tourism and its side sector's income share of TCs have gone to GC side in last 30 years. Any TCs who have been given one or two three times more properties in North didn't even earn 1/100 of what a GC refugee earn with one TC property given him/her in South; in the last 30 years.

[Piratis]

What happened in the last 30 years is your fault not ours. So we will not pay you a cent.

We will compensate you for 63-67, and you will compensate as for 74-2005.

[insan]

What happened in the last 30 years is your fault not ours. So we will not pay you a cent.

We will compensate you for 63-67, and you will compensate as for 74-2005.

It is the fault of your leadership who kept insisting on majority rule, return of all refugees, withdrawal of all Turkish troops, in the last 30 years and still. If your leadership didn't insist on these unfeasible matters, cyprus problem would have been solved in a short time period afterwards the intervention of 1974.