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[Tim Drayton]

Qamersland couldn't tell the meaning of real peace and freedom if it smacked him in the face, how can people who don't even understand the depth of such concepts believe that they can go around preaching it to others? Show me one example where Islam has brought peace and freedom!

Says a lad living in the "TRNC"...

It troubles me that so many Greek Cypriots do not understand the secular nature of Turkish Cypriot society.
It is surely an irony of history that, following the events of 1963-1974 that drove the two communities in Cyprus apart, the Greek Cypriot ruling elite has struck up cordial relations with all manner of brutal Arab dictators and fundamentalist Islamic regimes, while becoming estranged from their own fellow-Cypriot Muslims.
Sharia law which Qamersland is promoting was totally uprooted in Turkey by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and replaced with a modern, secular democracy. Turkish Cypriots are staunch supporters of Ataturk's secular model and they have not the slightest interest in the fanatic, fundamentalist brand of Islam that Qamersland is promoting.
There is absoultely no contradiction in a Turkish Cypriot condemning Islamic fundamentalism.

Here was Shah going on about democracy, freedom, etc, when all along he is living in an illegal Muslim enclave run by Turkey! Can it get worse than that?

With regards to Turkey being "secular" it's nothing but a fallacy because religiously Turkey belongs to Islam with her citizens being Moslems so end of story. Take a walk anywhere in Turkey and you'll find hundreds if not thousands of minarets and mosques.

So, to wrap it all up if it walks and talks like a duck... it’s a duck!

Again you are full of shit GR! I was talking about freedom of THOUGHT as opposed to religious ignorance, can you even read right?

It is not my fault that my country is in such a state, i never created the problem, I'm simply unlucky to have been born into it and there is absolutely nothing i can do about it, last thing i want to do is move somewhere else and leave the arena to fuckers like you, this is my country and i love living here regardless of the political issues so fuck you!

You also know nothing about Turkey either, Turkey is probably more secular then the RoC or Greece, or even most EU countries, yes it is mainly Muslim but this does not mean that you can walk around and not find many Orthodox, Armenian, Christian Church, Sinagogs and even temples for Asians, we even have Christian Turks living here and lets not even mention some of the most rooted and ancient families living here being Jewish, so what the fuck are you talking about?

Shahmaran, I am very busy with work just now. I would love to be able to produce a detailed post explaining just what secularism in Turkey means, and the profound consequences that it has. I think this is a very important concept for the whole world at a time when there is so much conflict between the West and fundamentalist Islam.
The Turkish Cypriots in particular provide an excellent example of the way Muslims can live in perfect harmony with European values. I wish more people could see this.

[shahmaran]

Well, then i am looking forward to reading your views on the matter Tim, i very much enjoy reading your posts anyway and i hope people like GR can learn a thing or two from your knowledge and your excellent writing skills, tho in the case of GR, i wouldn't hold my breath

[FreeSpirit]

FreeSpirit,you ARE wrong! Women & girls are no longer executed for getting an education in Afghanistan,as the Taliban were overthrown back in late 2001.The Koran insists on everyone,including women & girls,in getting educated.
Aidan.

So why werent pepople like Quamersland over there telling the Taleban that they were wrong, I have yet to receive an answer as to why a young man has been sentenced to death by an islamic court for what he downloaded from the internet. Why shouldn't we pour scorn and ridicule on such an outdated barbaric religion
It isn't us that Quamersland should be preaching to; he has stated that these people are not true follwers of the koran; therefore they are surely blasphemers in his eyes and need to be taught the errors of their ways, it would be very interesting to see the reaction if he tried to.

[FreeSpirit]

Here was Shah going on about democracy, freedom, etc, when all along he is living in an illegal Muslim enclave run by Turkey! Can it get worse than that?
With regards to Turkey being "secular" it's nothing but a fallacy because religiously Turkey belongs to Islam with her citizens being Moslems so end of story. Take a walk anywhere in Turkey and you'll find hundreds if not thousands of minarets and mosques.
So, to wrap it all up if it walks and talks like a duck... it’s a duck!

Isn't it strange you talk about Turkey being a muslim country well so is Saudi Arabia; How different can you get, so tell us which one is really a muslim country.

I've never been to Saudi Arabia but I have been to Turkey and Tunsia as well as lived in Limassol/Cyprus where you weren't aware when you crossed over into a TC residential area. None of these three compared in the slightest way to the sharia kingdom of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan where 75% of women in Jail are rape victims being punished for being raped.

[BC Numismatics]

FreeSpirit,you ARE wrong! Women & girls are no longer executed for getting an education in Afghanistan,as the Taliban were overthrown back in late 2001.The Koran insists on everyone,including women & girls,in getting educated.
Aidan.

So why werent pepople like Quamersland over there telling the Taleban that they were wrong, I have yet to receive an answer as to why a young man has been sentenced to death by an islamic court for what he downloaded from the internet. Why shouldn't we pour scorn and ridicule on such an outdated barbaric religion
It isn't us that Quamersland should be preaching to; he has stated that these people are not true follwers of the koran; therefore they are surely blasphemers in his eyes and need to be taught the errors of their ways, it would be very interesting to see the reaction if he tried to.

FreeSpirit,Islam is the world's most misunderstood religion.As for Islam being barbaric,I don't think so!

The most barbaric 'religion' is Roman Catholicism,as even now,the Cult of Rome still encourages its bigots to hate Protestants,Jews & Muslims,especially in both countries of the isle of Ireland.Roman Catholics aren't going to go to Heaven.They're heading straight down into the Lake of Fire in Hell,as they've been engaging in idolatry by bowing down before statues & worshipping the Pope of Rome.

Aidan.

[shahmaran]

Qamersland couldn't tell the meaning of real peace and freedom if it smacked him in the face, how can people who don't even understand the depth of such concepts believe that they can go around preaching it to others? Show me one example where Islam has brought peace and freedom!

I have as much respect for him as the next Jehovah's Whitness that knocks on my door, they are nothing short of ridiculous and are just as bad and preposterous as each other, and they all have one thing in common and it is called BLIND FAITH, the wonderful human quality that allows us to become ignorantly happy about something we do not understand anything about by simply avoiding the burden of trying to explain things with free and original rational thought, up to the extent where we are comfortable with flying planes into buildings or strapping ourselves with explosives to maximise human casualties.

Free and rational thinking is one quality of ours that is fundamental for progression and evolution and it is why Muslim countries are so behind their times. If everyone believed that we had all the answers in the Koran, humanity would not progress, we would all be sedated with the comfort of our ignorance.

Fortunately human nature will always prevail no matter what our beliefs are until we understand everything about ourselves. No matter how many lashes, no matter how many limbs chopped off, how well women are hidden behind veils and doors there will always be rape, murder, adultery, violence etc. because Islam is one religion that is the most distant from our natural being and it will never be a peaceful religion because it does not even understand human nature. Denying humans from their most basic nature only perpetuates more irrational actions that feed the oppressed needs. This is anything BUT being at peace!

Doesn't anyone ever wonder why the countries who have embraced the so called "religion of peace" are also known for some of the most gruesome acts of violence in the world? So what went wrong there Qamersland?

I am asking you Qamersland, is stoning young women and homosexuals to death, or publicly executing or torturing people by lashing or chopping of limbs and heads (the mutilation can be done with blunt instruments to extend the time it takes in order to inflict even greater pain, depending on the crime) the way to teach peace to people?

I doubt your intelligence because I feel that you are one of those who would like to sell your belief, your daughters, your sisters and your mothers to win the bid to enter European Union.

I have no problem if TC and Turkey become the member of EU but I doubt how much shameless, rootless and religiou less they have to be in order to get bone to eat from EU?

According to your Question what went wrong in the Islamic countries when Islam is a Religion of Peace?

Short Answer is that Muslim went away from Quran; there is not a single Islamic country in the world where 100 % sharia Law is being implemented. Sharia Law that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has demonstrated during his life time and the time of 4 Khulfa after his Death.

Islam teaches the Middle way, and today you find Muslims who went to Extreme left( those who are Muslim by name like many TC, not all) and those who went extreme right( those who interpreted the religion according to their culture and needs like those who are doing suside bombing to kill other Muslims or innocent non Muslims) . Both parties are wrong.

I don’t know Shah if you are Muslim? But I am sure that you are not aware of what Prophet Peace be upon him said about the present time.

Prophet said that there will time Muslims will be a lot in numbers like in present time 1.5 billion but they will be just like the foam on the sea water means they will have no power but he also said that Day of judgment will not come till the Message of Islam will have not enter in each house in this world. It may sound you unrealistic but if you have asked those in the past about present time, they would have thought the same as you are thinking while reading this message.

In short the reason why Muslims are backward is because they went away from Quranic teachings. in medieval time When there were Dark ages in Europe, Muslims were bright, they discover a lot of scientific facts like circulation of blood, Algebra, draw the first map of the world in which the north was down and south was up and later westerners change the north to up and south to down but By God’s Grace Mekah is still in the Center. etc etc, there is not only punishments to the criminals in sharia law, there are much more that you don’t know. This is the reason many here are against sharia law. This is impossible to teach you entire sharia law through posts on this forum, infact you need years to learn entire sharia law.

I had asked all of you to tell me that is robbing bad or Good?

If it is bad then why and if it is good then why?

I challege you that no one of you can give a logical reason why robbing is bad?

Miss freeSpirit(southerner) has repeatedly said that Islam give death penalty to Rape Victim.

I had challenged her to find me where Islam( Quran and Hadith) says that Rape victim should be put to death?

infact if you read my last post. I have given the reference of an incident when some one raped a woman in the prophet PBUH time and he let the woman to go free and ordered death penalty to rapist.

I have been saying from the beginning that

Do not judge the Car by Driver means do not judge Islam by Muslims

There are many Muslims, I don’t like them too but it does not mean that they are bad because Islam teaches them to be bad. There are black sheep’s in every community.

May God guide us all

Qamersland yet again you are wrong in your "beliefs", i don't know how you come to disrespect my "sisters, mothers, daughters" and i seriously don't know what you are talking about when you say "selling them", but i just take comfort in the fact that neither do you.

I am the last person to want to be in EU and this has no religious reasons what so ever, in fact i wouldn't use religion behind any reasoning what so ever since it entirely contradicts logic and reasoning.

Yet here you are "doubting my intelligence" when i was the one who had to explain to you what a "theory" was a few pages behind (which you never managed to reply to) when you had so much to say about it without even knowing what it really meant, and it is another great example of your ignorance and illiteracy when it comes to the world of REAL knowledge.

Face it, you have mastered the fictional world but have greatly neglected the real deal.

Hence why i would never want to learn anything about Sharia Law, because in my eyes it has absolutely no value since it is based on a fictional theocratic understanding of existence which i find ridiculous.

As i have said before, show me one nation that has benefited from this "religion of peace", which you have also agreed that it didn't exist since no country was Islamic in the "proper manner" so that we can actually see what Islam REALLY is like when put to practice.

What i am saying is that it does not matter who is "driving the car" anymore, because it has been centuries upon centuries of nothing but blood, torture and suffering in the name of this brain disease called Islam, and to be honest the world does not need it, because it simply just DOES NOT WORK!

No religion of such kind does, because they are all the works of men who knew so much less than we do today and the only reason they have travelled so far through time is because they feed on the ignorance of poor fools like yourself.

It just holds us back from understanding our true nature and reason for existence.

You claim that the Koran had already mentioned certain "discoveries" which i hardly find credible, i mean you claim it talks about "blood circulation", well that's not very fucking surprising is it, considering the amount of heads and limbs they must have mutilated over the years, you would be an utter moron not to notice the blood gushing out ones veins once you cut their heads of don't you think?

Is this the kind of crap you base your beliefs on?

Is this the kind of stupidity you put in the mouth of your supreme creator that you praise so much?

There is plenty of space for contradiction within the text that has supposedly come directly from the MAN himself don't you think?

[FreeSpirit]

[FreeSpirit,Islam is the world's most misunderstood religion.As for Islam being barbaric,I don't think so!
The most barbaric 'religion' is Roman Catholicism,as even now,the Cult of Rome still encourages its bigots to hate Protestants,Jews & Muslims,especially in both countries of the isle of Ireland.Roman Catholics aren't going to go to Heaven.They're heading straight down into the Lake of Fire in Hell,as they've been engaging in idolatry by bowing down before statues & worshipping the Pope of Rome.Aidan.

Look Aidan this is the last time I'll try to reason with you.

Which religion stones women to death?
Which religion cuts off limbs as a punishment?
Which religion banns women from driving (muslim/sharia law Saudi Afrabia)?
Which religion executed women for being educated?
The list could go on but it all adds up to one religion :- 21st century Islam!

We're not talking about the days of the Spanish Inquisition we're talking about the 21st century barbarism carried out in the name of islam so foreget about the catholics they do none of the above.

[BC Numismatics]

[FreeSpirit,Islam is the world's most misunderstood religion.As for Islam being barbaric,I don't think so!
The most barbaric 'religion' is Roman Catholicism,as even now,the Cult of Rome still encourages its bigots to hate Protestants,Jews & Muslims,especially in both countries of the isle of Ireland.Roman Catholics aren't going to go to Heaven.They're heading straight down into the Lake of Fire in Hell,as they've been engaging in idolatry by bowing down before statues & worshipping the Pope of Rome.Aidan.

Look Aidan this is the last time I'll try to reason with you.

Which religion stones women to death?
Which religion cuts off limbs as a punishment?
Which religion banns women from driving (muslim/sharia law Saudi Afrabia)?
Which religion executed women for being educated?
The list could go on but it all adds up to one religion :- 21st century Islam!

We're not talking about the days of the Spanish Inquisition we're talking about the 21st century barbarism carried out in the name of islam so foreget about the catholics they do none of the above.

FreeSpirit,that ISN'T genuine Islam.It is Wahhabism,which is an extremely warped interpretation of Islam.

Aidan.

[FreeSpirit]

Short Answer is that Muslim went away from Quran; there is not a single Islamic country in the world where 100 % sharia Law is being implemented. Sharia Law that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has demonstrated during his life time and the time of 4 Khulfa after his Death.

Islam teaches the Middle way, and today you find Muslims who went to Extreme left( those who are Muslim by name like many TC, not all) and those who went extreme right( those who interpreted the religion according to their culture and needs like those who are doing suside bombing to kill other Muslims or innocent non Muslims) . Both parties are wrong.

You are now admitting that islam is in turmoil and conflict with itself all around the muslim world and now you expect us to believe you when your own senior clerics can't agree amongst themselves.

The best that you can come up with is quotations from a book written in long outdated terminology that even your senior clerics disagree on the interpretation of.

What I suggest is for you to take your crusade to those countries that are getting islam a bad name; although I fear you will be wasting your time.

[BC Numismatics]

ISLAM = PEACE!

ROMANISM = SUFFERING,TURMOIL,& GENOCIDE!

Aidan.