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[FreeSpirit]

Qamersland, your comments on this article would be welcome:

http://islamdom.blogspot.com/2008/01/ra ... haria.html

Rape and Islamic Sharia
Robert Spencer provides a very nice explanation of the origins of the absurd four witness requirement for cases of rape. The outcome of this requirement is, as you will see below, that it is virtually impossible to charge a man with rape under the sharia:

Pakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic law. These laws returned the crime of rape to the realm of Islamic law, making a rape victim liable to being prosecuted for adultery if she could not produce four male Muslim witnesses who would testify that they had actually witnessed the rape.

This law comes from the Qur’an. Accusations of adultery against Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, and Muhammad’s desire to exonerate her brought about the requirement that four male Muslim witnesses must be produced in order to establish a crime of adultery or other sexual indiscretions: “Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah” (Qur’an 24:13; see also 24:4 and Bukhari, vol. 3, book 52, no. 2661).

Aisha’s own word counted for nothing to establish the falsity of the accusations against her -- so to this day Islamic law restricts the validity of a woman’s testimony, particularly in cases involving sexual immorality. Says the Qur’an: “Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses; so that if either of them commit an error, the other will remember” (2:282). And Islamic legal theorists have restricted women’s testimony even farther, limiting it to, in the words of one Muslim legal manual, “cases involving property, or transactions dealing with property, such as sales” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o24.. Otherwise only men can testify.

Consequently, it is even today virtually impossible to prove rape in lands that follow these Sharia provisions. As long as men deny the charge and there are no witnesses, they get off scot-free, because the victim’s account is inadmissible. Even worse, if a woman cannot produce four male witnesses, she may end up incriminating herself simply by making the charge: she has by charging a man with rape made an admission of adultery. That accounts for the grim fact that, according to the Muslim feminist group Sisters in Islam, as many as seventy-five percent of the women in prison in Pakistan are, in fact, behind bars for the crime of being a victim of rape.

Quamerslan Stay off this forum intil you have put your own house in order!
Don't come back on here trying to sell a religion that is an insult to womens rights.
How the hell can you say that it is the truth that you are preaching, what kind of religion is it that will chop off a man's hand for theft but free him for rape and charge the victim with adultery.
Remeber it is senior muslim clerics who interpret sharia law in afghanistan, so tell us why they shoot women for getting an education.

Come back with direct answers and not quotes from the 'Dandy' & 'Beano'

[kurupetos]

FUCK QURAN
FUCK MUHAMMAD
FUCK MUSLIMS
FUCk OFF

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[Tim Drayton]

May God bless Muhammad and every other human being that walks on earth.

As a human being, yes.
Sadly, the Sharia law that Qamersland wants to us to live under does not respect the sanctity of all human beings. It is based on the institutionalised discrimantion of non-Muslims such that their testimony is only given half the value of a Muslim's testimony.
Think about the pressures that forced so many of yourcountrymen to become linobambakis in the past.

For a humanist viewpoint on Sharia, you may care to refer the following, from the International Humanist and Ethical Union:

http://www.iheu.org/node/2884
"Non-Muslims and the Sharia"

[kurupetos]

Saudi gang-rape victim is jailed
By Frances Harrison
BBC News



Saudi women are subject to strict sex segregation laws
An appeal court in Saudi Arabia has doubled the number of lashes and added a jail sentence as punishment for a woman who was gang-raped.

The victim was initially punished for violating laws on segregation of the sexes - she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of the attack.

When she appealed, the judges said she had been attempting to use the media to influence them.

The attackers' sentences - originally of up to five years - were doubled.

Extra penalties

According to the Arab News newspaper, the 19-year-old woman was gang-raped 14 times in an attack in the eastern province a year-and-a-half ago.

The victim and attackers are from Saudi Arabia's Shia minority.

Seven men from the majority Sunni community were found guilty of the rape and sentenced to prison terms ranging from just under a year to five years.

But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.

On appeal, the Arab News reported that the punishment was not reduced but increased to 200 lashes and a six-month prison sentence.

The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty.

The Arab News quoted an official as saying the judges had decided to punish the girl for trying to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media.

The victim's lawyer was suspended from the case, has had his licence to work confiscated, and faces a disciplinary session.

[Tim Drayton]

A good quote from the article I recommended to Humanist above:

"In the multicultural world of which we are now part there can be no justification for discrimination on religious grounds. Imagine the howls of protest if Muslims living in the west were to be treated as second-class citizens under the law. One of the great lessons we can learn from the west is the idea of secular, that is neutral, laws that discriminate against no-one."

Quite so. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk realised this and removed the abomination of Sharia from modern Turkey. Turkish Cypriots are Muslims and also 100% supporters of Ataturk's secular system. Why don't you cross over the green line from time to time and see for your own eyes how Muslims can live in harmony with a modern system of secular democracy that grants equal rights to all, regardless of their gender or creed.

I have repeatedly asked you to comment on secularism and you have repeatedly refused to do so. If you are in interested in Islam in Cyprus, surely you should take an interest in the Muslim community that has lived here for 450 years. Believe me, they could teach you plenty about Western democratic values, and how these can be reconciled with Islam.

[Tim Drayton]

FUCK QURAN
FUCK MUHAMMAD
FUCK MUSLIMS
FUCk OFF

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Let's try to preserve a little dignity, otherwise we hand the moral high ground to those we seek to oppose.

[FreeSpirit]

FUCK QURAN
FUCK MUHAMMAD
FUCK MUSLIMS
FUCk OFF

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As Tim said that is not the we do it, it is far better to post objectivly and far easier in this case of common sense versus Quamerslands stupidity.

[tessintrnc]

Although trivial in comparison to the rape/adultery issue, below is another example of strict Islamic laws:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's religious police have banned red roses ahead of Valentine's Day, forcing couples in the conservative Muslim nation to think of new ways to show their love.
The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice has ordered florists and gift shop owners in the capital Riyadh to remove any items coloured scarlet, which is widely seen as symbolising love, newspapers said.
"They visited us last night," the Saudi Gazette quoted an unidentified florist as saying.
It is not unusual for the Saudi vice squad to clamp down ahead of Valentine's Day, which it sees as encouraging relations between men and women outside of wedlock, the newspaper said.
Saudi Arabia imposes an austere form of Sunni Islam which prevents unrelated men and women from mixing, bans women from driving and demands that women wear a headscarf and a cloak.
Relations outside marriage are strictly banned and punishable by law.
(Reporting by Souhail Karam; Editing by Giles Elgood

I shudder to think what life must be like in a such a country, where joy and even love itself is so dominated by these miserable men.

[Tim Drayton]

Although trivial in comparison to the rape/adultery issue, below is another example of strict Islamic laws:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's religious police have banned red roses ahead of Valentine's Day, forcing couples in the conservative Muslim nation to think of new ways to show their love.
The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice has ordered florists and gift shop owners in the capital Riyadh to remove any items coloured scarlet, which is widely seen as symbolising love, newspapers said.
"They visited us last night," the Saudi Gazette quoted an unidentified florist as saying.
It is not unusual for the Saudi vice squad to clamp down ahead of Valentine's Day, which it sees as encouraging relations between men and women outside of wedlock, the newspaper said.
Saudi Arabia imposes an austere form of Sunni Islam which prevents unrelated men and women from mixing, bans women from driving and demands that women wear a headscarf and a cloak.
Relations outside marriage are strictly banned and punishable by law.
(Reporting by Souhail Karam; Editing by Giles Elgood

I shudder to think what life must be like in a such a country, where joy and even love itself is so dominated by these miserable men.

How many people know that the Saudi Arabian authorities have a policy of confiscating and destroying any Christmas cards which are sent through the postal system in this benighted country.

[FreeSpirit]

Although trivial in comparison to the rape/adultery issue, below is another example of strict Islamic laws:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's religious police have banned red roses ahead of Valentine's Day, forcing couples in the conservative Muslim nation to think of new ways to show their love.
The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice has ordered florists and gift shop owners in the capital Riyadh to remove any items coloured scarlet, which is widely seen as symbolising love, newspapers said.
"They visited us last night," the Saudi Gazette quoted an unidentified florist as saying.
It is not unusual for the Saudi vice squad to clamp down ahead of Valentine's Day, which it sees as encouraging relations between men and women outside of wedlock, the newspaper said.
Saudi Arabia imposes an austere form of Sunni Islam which prevents unrelated men and women from mixing, bans women from driving and demands that women wear a headscarf and a cloak.
Relations outside marriage are strictly banned and punishable by law.
(Reporting by Souhail Karam; Editing by Giles Elgood

I shudder to think what life must be like in a such a country, where joy and even love itself is so dominated by these miserable men.

How many people know that the Saudi Arabian authorities have a policy of confiscating and destroying any Christmas cards which are sent through the postal system in this benighted country.

And this is what Quamerslnad would have us convert to.