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[cyprusgrump]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

[rajput49]

it has nothing to do with covering of head the study ur talking about was done in australia there was no other factor taken into account other than covering of head and some study in england as well.
It’s rickets. Once a major health problem in the United States, rickets is caused by a lack of Vitamin D. Vitamin D of course, comes from two major sources: foods – particularly fish and dairy – and sunlight, the latter being the alleged cause of rickets amongst Britain’s Muslim population
Women in general are more prone, for one, and the darker one’s skin pigmentation, the higher the risk. In addition, those who consume too much caffeine are contributing to the problem. But what of hijab? Not so much.
In fact, a woman in Saudi Arabia may very well be less at risk than one in Norway. Apparently, it’s possible to get all the sunlight one needs by spending ten to fifteen minutes in the sun twice a week, and the less pollution or cloud cover there is, the more optimal the conditions for getting enough Vitamin D.
Clearly, hijab isn’t the problem, as women who wear it usually have options – modest ones – for getting more sunlight. A woman can do so in the privacy of her own backyard or balcony, at a women-only swimming pool, or even on the rooftop of her apartment building. But as we well know, Vitamin D isn’t the real problem here

[Stout]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

That is a very interesting hypothesis cyprusgrump, according to what you say, young children should be allowed to grow and develop without any guidance, I wonder what such an upbringing would produce?.
Even the animal kingdom has it's own rules of development, are you suggesting that humankind should be left to it's own devices?.
There is nothing to prevent a child from making it's own decisions as time passes, the literature is available to all, the fault lies in the interpretation of what is written and what is read.
All parents can therefore be accused of brainwashing their children.

[cyprusgrump]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

That is a very interesting hypothesis cyprusgrump, according to what you say, young children should be allowed to grow and develop without any guidance, I wonder what such an upbringing would produce?.
Even the animal kingdom has it's own rules of development, are you suggesting that humankind should be left to it's own devices?.
There is nothing to prevent a child from making it's own decisions as time passes, the literature is available to all, the fault lies in the interpretation of what is written and what is read.
All parents can therefore be accused of brainwashing their children.

You are twisting my words…

What I said specifically related to religion.

Of course children need guidance, we need to tech them to read and write the rules of our society, etc.

They don’t need to be taught rules based on some ancient text which cannot be proven.

[Stout]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

That is a very interesting hypothesis cyprusgrump, according to what you say, young children should be allowed to grow and develop without any guidance, I wonder what such an upbringing would produce?.
Even the animal kingdom has it's own rules of development, are you suggesting that humankind should be left to it's own devices?.
There is nothing to prevent a child from making it's own decisions as time passes, the literature is available to all, the fault lies in the interpretation of what is written and what is read.
All parents can therefore be accused of brainwashing their children.

You are twisting my words…

What I said specifically related to religion.

Of course children need guidance, we need to tech them to read and write the rules of our society, etc.

They don’t need to be taught rules based on some ancient text which cannot be proven.

Sorry if you feel that I have twisted your words cyprusgrump,that was not my intention.
The rules of our societies are based solely on the wisdom extracted from ancient texts, which of those texts, if any, would you select as the most advantageous for the development of our children?.

[Niki]

it has nothing to do with covering of head the study ur talking about was done in australia there was no other factor taken into account other than covering of head and some study in england as well.
It’s rickets. Once a major health problem in the United States, rickets is caused by a lack of Vitamin D. Vitamin D of course, comes from two major sources: foods – particularly fish and dairy – and sunlight, the latter being the alleged cause of rickets amongst Britain’s Muslim population
Women in general are more prone, for one, and the darker one’s skin pigmentation, the higher the risk. In addition, those who consume too much caffeine are contributing to the problem. But what of hijab? Not so much.
In fact, a woman in Saudi Arabia may very well be less at risk than one in Norway. Apparently, it’s possible to get all the sunlight one needs by spending ten to fifteen minutes in the sun twice a week, and the less pollution or cloud cover there is, the more optimal the conditions for getting enough Vitamin D.
Clearly, hijab isn’t the problem, as women who wear it usually have options – modest ones – for getting more sunlight. A woman can do so in the privacy of her own backyard or balcony, at a women-only swimming pool, or even on the rooftop of her apartment building. But as we well know, Vitamin D isn’t the real problem here

This is a worldwide problem. You only have to do a google search to see this. Exposure to sunlight is necessary and I can't see many Muslim women allowed to sunbathe on the balcony if they have a family to look after.

I just cannot fathom why women and not men have to cover themselves! To me it is alien and unnatural. You see women dressed from head to foot in black robes with only her eyes showing having to cope with extremely high temperatures. Black!!!! I suppose the heat of the day is thought to be less than the heat of hellfire if they didn't wear it?

My opinion only of course but the problem is the act of wearing a hijab creates division in mixed society and Muslim women wearing hijab are laughed at in many societies.

[cyprusgrump]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

That is a very interesting hypothesis cyprusgrump, according to what you say, young children should be allowed to grow and develop without any guidance, I wonder what such an upbringing would produce?.
Even the animal kingdom has it's own rules of development, are you suggesting that humankind should be left to it's own devices?.
There is nothing to prevent a child from making it's own decisions as time passes, the literature is available to all, the fault lies in the interpretation of what is written and what is read.
All parents can therefore be accused of brainwashing their children.

You are twisting my words…

What I said specifically related to religion.

Of course children need guidance, we need to tech them to read and write the rules of our society, etc.

They don’t need to be taught rules based on some ancient text which cannot be proven.

Sorry if you feel that I have twisted your words cyprusgrump,that was not my intention.
The rules of our societies are based solely on the wisdom extracted from ancient texts, which of those texts, if any, would you select as the most advantageous for the development of our children?.

None of them…

We should teach our children the accepted rules of society. If I teach my child that stealing is wrong that isn’t because ‘Thou shalt not steal’ was passed down on a stone slab and recorded in the bible. I’m sure that stealing was unpopular long before any ancient text recorded that it shouldn’t be done…

Should we abandon speed limits on our roads because some ancient script doesn’t mention them? No.

[Stout]

its ur point of view dear cyprusgrump.i disagree with it as i have forwaded lots of information regarding the book and its open for varification.its my lack of knowledge may be that havent been able to put my point properly.but i respect ur point of view as i have my point of views.thanks for ur interest in the post.ur free to comment

Thank you, my original point remains valid…

If you hadn’t been brainwashed as a child and were free to examine all the literature, religious and scientific before making your mind up you wouldn’t blindly quote the quran as fact and the answer to everything…

That is a very interesting hypothesis cyprusgrump, according to what you say, young children should be allowed to grow and develop without any guidance, I wonder what such an upbringing would produce?.
Even the animal kingdom has it's own rules of development, are you suggesting that humankind should be left to it's own devices?.
There is nothing to prevent a child from making it's own decisions as time passes, the literature is available to all, the fault lies in the interpretation of what is written and what is read.
All parents can therefore be accused of brainwashing their children.

You are twisting my words…

What I said specifically related to religion.

Of course children need guidance, we need to tech them to read and write the rules of our society, etc.

They don’t need to be taught rules based on some ancient text which cannot be proven.

Sorry if you feel that I have twisted your words cyprusgrump,that was not my intention.
The rules of our societies are based solely on the wisdom extracted from ancient texts, which of those texts, if any, would you select as the most advantageous for the development of our children?.

None of them…

We should teach our children the accepted rules of society. If I teach my child that stealing is wrong that isn’t because ‘Thou shalt not steal’ was passed down on a stone slab and recorded in the bible. I’m sure that stealing was unpopular long before any ancient text recorded that it shouldn’t be done…

Should we abandon speed limits on our roads because some ancient script doesn’t mention them? No.

You have again highlighted a very interesting topic for discussion cyprusgrump.
The fact that you teach your children that stealing is wrong is quite obviously the correct course, the fact that it is written is an indication that the ancient texts SHOULD be given some credibility.
The rule of LAW is governed by the contents of those ancient texts, thus, the reference to speed limits is fully covered by those same texts.
Prior to written texts, people had to rely on parental guidance, the texts are there to instruct us all on how we should conduct ourselves and how we should instruct our children.
Whether or not we accept and follow such instruction is a matter for our own conscience.

[cyprusgrump]

So are you suggesting that (for instance) before the ‘ancient texts’ stealing was de rigueur and parents taught their children that it was right to steal?

I’d suggest that common sense led us to a position where laws were laid down and accepted. Clearly, it wouldn’t be fair if somebody came along and stole your belongings that you had worked for… if your cow disappeared overnight you wouldn’t have to look up in a book to see if the correct course of action was to be happy or to try and recover your belongings…

Therefore, you would naturally teach your children that stealing was wrong.

[Stout]

So are you suggesting that (for instance) before the ‘ancient texts’ stealing was de rigueur and parents taught their children that it was right to steal?

I’d suggest that common sense led us to a position where laws were laid down and accepted. Clearly, it wouldn’t be fair if somebody came along and stole your belongings that you had worked for… if your cow disappeared overnight you wouldn’t have to look up in a book to see if the correct course of action was to be happy or to try and recover your belongings…

Therefore, you would naturally teach your children that stealing was wrong.

Before written law, it is quite possible that parents DID instruct their children to steal, in fact, I would suggest that it was necessary for survival as the parents grew older and unable to steal for themselves.
Accepting the fact that the above may have been a possibility, the ancient texts become THE most important advance in mankind's development.
How we interpret them is probably the reason for so much disharmony in today's world.
The basic teachings of those ancient texts are invariably the same, I personally favour the Q'uran (although I am not of the faith) since it is the only one which CANNOT be changed, the rules are there exactly as they were at it's conception, they will remain so forever.
THAT is the true strength of Islam, I have respect for those who have the knowledge and will to adopt it's principles.