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[FreeSpirit]

How do you suppose other nations view OUR leaders, known to be constantly lying and cheating, attacking an innocent nation under the pretence of assisting them when actually only interested in stealing their resources ?.:

Don't be silly, Saddam was recent so was Idi Amin so was Pol Pot.
It is the duty of the nations of the world to intervene when despots such as I have mentioned commit crimes against humanity.

This has nothing to do with agreeing with their policies it is preventing crimes against humanity and genocide.
While people like you sat back Mussolini slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Ethiopia, and this is your policy.
History it may be but that is what we learn from

Wow some guts, some shame, you are truly pathetic and a political coward, you ought to be sahamed of your spineless agenda.

[FreeSpirit]

Your constant references to previous leaders is quite pointless, their actions (in some cases) could be viewed as lesser evils than those perpetrated by the US/UK and others on the innocent nation of Iraq.

Name one!

[FreeSpirit]

For goodness sake FreeSpirit, how is it you cannot understand the simple fact that other governments are as entitled to govern as are ours ?.

The point is how they govern not that they govern, crimes against humanity such as genocide are not to be confused with the glorious liberation of the Iraqi people.

[Damsi]

He may be a dictator, but he's our dictator'.
US support for Saddam
US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?

Friendly dictators

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakistan

[Eliko]

Your constant references to previous leaders is quite pointless, their actions (in some cases) could be viewed as lesser evils than those perpetrated by the US/UK and others on the innocent nation of Iraq.

Name one!

I could name several, I will highlight the one which seems to be favourite in your little book of atrocities, the slaughter of those Kurds, (which incidentally met their end with the assistance of the US who supplied the necessary toxic gases) who were intent on the overthrow of the leader of the nation.

ANY leader would deal mercilessly with those that threatened his own authority,THAT is the nature of leadership, it is harsh, cruel, I do NOT condone it but can understand the awful necessity of it.

If you were capable of THOUGHT outside the confines of your small mental abilities, YOU would be able to understand it too.

I would place the above example well down on the scale of atrocities, now that we have the unlawful and murderous attack on Iraq as a yard-stick.

Your contributions throughout this particular thread have been of little consequence and have revealed the fact that you are incapable of a sensible discussion, if you need proof of such, read what you have written, it should be quite apparent.

If you consider the constant barrage of insult to be of any value when supposedly discussing religious tenets, you have my sympathy, certainly you have lost my interest in your constant drivel and this will be my final response to anything you may contribute.

Your new identity is inferior to your previous one, in my humble opinion.

Take heed of the bottom line my friend, it is admirably applicable to you.

Good-night and Good-bye.

[Eliko]

Damsi, thank you for your intelligent contribution, I may now retire without feeling sullied by the ignorance of our friend up in the coalfields.

[BC Numismatics]

He may be a dictator, but he's our dictator'.
US support for Saddam
US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?

Friendly dictators

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakistan

That's a load of crap! Ian Smith & P.W. Botha were actually elected to their positions.Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia was a very strong,but just ruler.Sir Hassanal Bolkiah is the ruling Sultan of Brunei.He succeeded to the Bruneian throne upon the abdication of his father,Sultan Sir Omar Ali Saifuddin III in 1967.

You should do your homework & not post bullshit!

Aidan.

[tulip]

He may be a dictator, but he's our dictator'.
US support for Saddam
US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?

Friendly dictators

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakistan

shhhhhhhhhhh it's an open secret

All those who are sensible and know history will agree if the USA has been the biggest supporter of dictators then who is real terrorist?

[QAMERSLAND]

Qamerslans, from your slice, i take it you have no real substantial reply to give me, you have proven to be another example of an illiterate blind religious man, who has taken the job of spreading the disease without understanding anything about life or existence.

Good luck.

Thank you brother. You are right if you literally mean that I am blind because I believe in One God without seeing him. But God says in the Quran that there are signs for sensible people. I see signs of God almighty everyday and every night in further horizon and around me that you may be not able see.
Race: Islam very categorically rejects racial discrimination. It promotes the feeling of brotherhood and equality among its followers. God clearly says, "O Mankind! We have created you from one male and one female, and then We made you into different races and tribes so that you may know (and easily recognize) each other." Therefore, no one can claim any superiority over others based on racial or tribal differences. A person is to be judged by his character, not by his color or race. God continues, "Surely the most honorable of you in God's sight is the person who is most upright in character among you." (Qur'an; chp. 49, verse 13).


I have told a verse of Quran in my previous post that why God almighty created us in different races. If you know really mean of God and his power , your question will sound you very meaningless because for God it is not hard to make anything possible.

I am not trying to prove Quran with the help of science because Quran is more superior than science because there are more 1000 verses in the Quran that speaks about science and 80 % of 1000 have been 100 % correct according to science and remaining 20 percent is in ambiguous slot which the science has not advanced to answer. So we can not say if it is correct or not. But my logic says that if 80 % has proved right 100 % remaining 20 % will also inshallah Correct.

For example The embryological stages explained in the Quran that matches exactly what science has found after 1400 years recently. In the time when the Quran was revealed. One like you may ask. How do I believe if it is true? But the time has proved that it was true.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=jDSl7ifT-9c[/youtube]

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=rYgDTa4Xf3k[/youtube]

Remember that the Quran is not the book of science but signs.

I will suggest you to watch dialog between Dr William Campbell and Dr Zakir Naik held in Chicago. “is the Quran and Bible compatible with modern science”.
You can search online to find it in youtube.com or you can download from the following link

http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFile ... Zakir_Naik

[shahmaran]

Oh man i wont even start listing the different aspects of ANY creationist religion that science has proven to be wrong, from the fundamentals up to its specific claims within their books, there will be no end to it, so brother 1000 verses means nothing.

Science has proven that we have not come to Earth as humans but have actually EVOLVED into human beings, and continuing to evolve as we speak, same goes for ALL living things and everything they do (including thinking, therefore religion), evolution is not a force, it is just inescapable mathematical logic, it is addition, or selective accumulation as some might say. So religions too, come and go with time, some disappear, some overpower others until they go extinct and last much longer, hence religious wars!!

Therefore science has crumbled the very foundations of your belief so it does not matter how much fancy talking you can pull out of your book, you are just an evolved modern day version of a 5000 year old spiritual guide, a voodoo master, a Sumerian priest, or a shaman, or call it whatever you like.

Humans have been dwelling over the question of existence and coming up with all sorts of convincing answers for thousands of years before the supposed arrival of any prophet. So this is just another phase humanity will go through and Islam, just like any human creation, will evolve according to our mental evolution, our intellect. Hence why less intellectual people are more religious, people need easily digestible and convincing answers for what they cannot understand, how ever they will never have the capability to understand quantum physics, or the string theory, so you and your book cannot possibly be above something you have no clue about, you don't hold the knowledge nor the power to question such matters.

So yes my friend, you are blind indeed with your single god, and i cannot even begin to imagine how many times this last sentence has been made over the course of human existence to all sorts of religious people from all sorts of religions and gods holding all sorts of blind faiths, you are nothing special, you have your kind too unfortunately.