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[Stout]

As far as I am aware, one of the basic principles of Islam is that one should avoid vanity, to we of the west, the sight of men with beards and baggy trousers may amuse us, (or put bluntly, cause us to take the piss).
To the person thus adorned, it is a simple matter of dressing in the most simple and practical manner suited to their lifestyle and in accordance with their beliefs.
Women are not regarded as objects of desire, nor do they wish to flaunt their femininity and dress accordingly, fashion is not of paramount importance to them, they are subservient to their husbands and devote their lives to the service of their families, which is also according to their beliefs.
The most pious of the followers of Islam CHOOSE to wear the burka as a commitment to their beliefs, they are not a source of ridicule, they should be respected for their devotion.
Just as we would reject their dress codes and lifestyles, they are equally entitled to reject ours.
Many of the conflicts we are witnessing in several parts of the world today are a direct result of our attempts to influence other nations to adopt our principals.
The main difference is that they do not laugh and (take the piss) out of us, the Lord knows, judging by some of the comments on this forum, they could hardly be blamed if they did so.
The question of integration into our society is an entirely seperate issue, as long as our friends from abroad obey our laws and respect our culture, we should respect theirs.
Perhaps that is the area in which most conflicts occur at home.

[rajput49]

first thanks stout for presenting true picture of islam we appreciate u for sharing ur knowledge and experience with us on this topic.next i would like to clarify few points made by other members regarding burqa.burqa is more or less dress that covers whole body of women except her eyes(u might think of them ninjas lol)as for as hijab(islamic term used for women covering herself)goes it is covering of all body parts only exception is face and hands though it is highly recommended to cover that as well but it isnt must.the reason one of member gave for using hijab i am sorry to say but i disagree with that.there are clear verses in quran that states that women should dress up like this.“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).
and later all of this was practiced in the time of prophet and muslims have followed that way.and there are reasons for wearing hijab i will give just one example hope i will clarify the point.suppose two girls equally beautiful and attractive are passing by one neighborhood where males have majority and they are on the roads.one girl is dressed like an islamic hijab and other one is dressed like her all body features are more or less visible or even dressed normally u decide who has the better chance of being targeted by someone with bad intentions girl in the islamic dress or girl dressing otherwise.hijab can prevent this type of social problems.there are many more reasons of why women should cover herself.

[rajput49]

just a note to make what bible says of women covering her head.it is clear from these verses that bible doesnt allow any women to uncover her head.
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God'' (I Corinthians 11:3-16).
In other words, the passage means what it says. Have you ever wondered why nuns dress like they're wearing hijab. Have you ever wondered why Mary the mother of Jesus (peace be upon them both) is always depicted in Christian art with her hair covered? Did you know that until the 1960s, it was obligatory for Catholic women to cover their heads in church?

There are some interesting points that can be made about the Christian directive.

1) The explicit purpose of the Christian woman's headcovering, as stated by Paul, is that it is a sign of man's authority over woman. The explicit purpose of Islamic hijab is modesty. Strange how so many Westerners think that the purpose of hijab is a symbol of male authority. Maybe they know that that's what it is in their own religion (Christianity) so they assume that Islam must be the same...!

2) The Christian woman is to cover her head whenever she is praying, whether it be at the church service or just personal prayer at home. This may mean that if she is not praying at home, she is uncovered around male guests who are not related to her; or if she is praying at home, that she is covered around her own husband and family.

[humanist]

hey raj since you know God so well how about, you just love us all, not judge us and leave the rest to God. Also if you could stray away from thinking you are greater than any other human being you might get to heaven with ten stars.

[rajput49]

i never claimed humanist that i know GOD so well.I LOVE U ALL.ur my brothers in humanity how can i hate u.u should read previous posts humanist GOD created all of us at same level no human beings is superior than other quran says
"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other. Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).
i try to stress and convey message that personal claims have no place in religion we should follow what ALLMIGHTY wants us to do.if i have made such a claim its totaly out of my ignorance.

[cyprusgrump]

The fact is that we are all born atheists… it is only brainwashing by churches at an early age that leads us to believe in one deity or another.

Why can’t the great religions of the world leave children to make up their own minds about religion when they are old enough to make informed and rational decisions based on the facts that they can see all around them?

Piss be upon him I say…

[rajput49]

cyprusrump so ur atheist?thats good first of all i would congratulate u that u ur atheist.because u have thought for some reason about religion and u didnt accept it because most of us are christians and jews or muslims because our parents are so.but u have given it a thought thats good.just will ask one question what is ur deffination of GOD u have rejected?

[cyprusgrump]

cyprusrump so ur atheist?thats good first of all i would congratulate u that u ur atheist.because u have thought for some reason about religion and u didnt accept it because most of us are christians and jews or muslims because our parents are so.but u have given it a thought thats good.just will ask one question what is ur deffination of GOD u have rejected?

All of them...

[rajput49]

u have rejected all of the GOD because they dont fit into ur concept of GOD SO what is ur concept of GOD becuse to reject something u should know that what this thing actullay is.like if someone brings u one shoe and tell u that this is pen u will reject it because u know what pen looks like so if u have rejected GOD U must know that what u have rejected isnt GOD based on ur own knowledge of GOD.am i right?so just wants to know what u think of GOD?

[cyprusgrump]

All religions are based on apocryphal stories written years ago which are full of fantasy and inconsistencies. Who would base their values, their daily life, what they wear, what they eat on that? You must be insane…

Show me some evidence of the existence of a superior being. I will evaluate the evidence and decide if it has worth…

In the same way, bring me a shoe and I will try it on my foot… if I get covered in ink it is probably a pen as you say…