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Postby Southerner » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:26 pm

QAMERSLAND wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:QAMERSLAND says "Islam Prohabits to make sects".

Then what are Sunnis and Shiites? What about Alawites (Aleviler)?


WHY ARE MUSLIMS DIVIDED INTO SECTS / DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT?

Question:

When all the Muslim follow one and the same Qur’an then why are there so many sects and different schools of thoughts among Muslims?

Answer:


1.
Muslims Should be United

It is a fact that Muslims today, are divided amongst themselves. The tragedy is that such divisions are not endorsed by Islam at all. Islam believes in fostering unity amongst its followers.

The Glorious Qur’an says:

"And hold fast,
All together, by the rope
Which Allah (stretches out for you),
and be not divided among yourselves;"
[Al-Qur’an 3:103]

Which is the rope of Allah that is being referred to in this verse? It is the Glorious Qur’an. The Glorious Qur’an is the rope of Allah which all Muslims should hold fast together. There is double emphasis in this verse. Besides saying ‘hold fast all together’ it also says, ‘be not divided’.

Qur’an further says,

"Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger"
[Al-Qur’an 4:59]

All the Muslim should follow the Qur’an and authentic Ahadith and be not divided among themselves.


2.
It is Prohibited to make sects and divisions in Islam

The Glorious Qur’an says:

"As for those who divide
Their religion and break up
Into sects, thou hast
No part in them in the least:
Their affair is with Allah:
He will in the end
Tell them the truth
Of all that they did."
[Al-Qur’an 6:159]

In this verse Allah (swt) says that one should disassociate oneself from those who divide their religion and break it up into sects.

But when one asks a Muslim, "who are you?", the common answer is either ‘I am a Sunni, or ‘I am a Shia’. Some call themselves Hanafi, or Shafi or Maliki or Humbali. Some say ‘I am a Deobandi’, while some others say ‘I am a Barelvi’.


3.
Our Prophet was a Muslim

One may ask such Muslims, "Who was our beloved prophet (pbuh)? Was he a Hanafi or a Shafi, or a Humbali or a Maliki?" No! He was a Muslim, like all the other prophets and messengers of Allah before him.

It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.

Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.


4.
Qur’an says call yourselves Muslim

If anyone poses a Muslim the question who are you, he should say "I am a MUSLIM, not a Hanafi or a Shafi". Surah Fussilat chapter 41 verse 33 says
"Who is better in speech
Than one who calls (men)
To Allah, works righteousness,
And says, ‘I am of those
Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?’ "
[Al-Qur’an 41:33]

The Qur’an says "Say I am of those who bow in Islam". In other words, say, "I am a Muslim".

The Prophet (pbuh) dictated letters to non-Muslim kings and rulers inviting them to accept Islam. In these letters he mentioned the verse of the Qur’an from Surah Ali Imran chapter 3 verse 64:
Say ye: "Bear witness
That we (at least)
Are Muslims (bowing
To Allah’s Will)."
[Al-Qur’an 3:64]


5.
Respect all the Great Scholars of Islam
We must respect all the great scholars of Islam, including the four Imaams, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Humbal and Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with them all). They were great scholars and may Allah reward them for their research and hardwork. One can have no objection if someone agrees with the views and research of Imam Abu Hanifa or Imam Shafi, etc. But when posed a question, ‘who are you?’, the reply should only be ‘I am a Muslim’.



Some may argue by quoting the hadith of our beloved Prophet from Sunan Abu Dawood Hadith No. 4579. In this hadith the prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said, "My community will be split up into seventy-three sects."

This hadith reports that the prophet predicted the emergence of seventy-three sects. He did not say that Muslims should be active in dividing themselves into sects. The Glorious Qur’an commands us not to create sects. Those who follow the teachings of the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith, and do not create sects are the people who are on the true path.

According to Tirmidhi Hadith No. 171, the prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said, "My Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects, and all of them will be in Hell fire except one sect." The companions asked Allah’s messenger which group that would be. Where upon he replied, "It is the one to which I and my companions belong."

The Glorious Qur’an mentions in several verses, "Obey Allah and obey His Messenger". A true Muslim should only follow the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith. He can agree with the views of any scholar as long as they conform to the teachings of the Qur’an and Sahih Hadith. If such views go against the Word of Allah, or the Sunnah of His Prophet, then they carry no weight, regardless of how learned the scholar might be.

If only all Muslims read the Qur’an with understanding and adhere to Sahih Hadith, Inshallah most of these differences would be solved and we could be one united Muslim Ummah


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Postby BC Numismatics » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:00 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
BC Numismatics wrote:Rawk,you are a classic example of a major league wanker,just like your idol,the Nazi scumbag called the Pope of Rome!

You need to go & get your head examined!

Aidan.


How can you condemn Islamaphobia and then make a statement like:

"the Nazi scumbag called the Pope of Rome"?

This is rank hypocrisy. You are either for religious tolerance or against it.


Tim,I'm a Protestant,not a Hell-bound idol-worshipping Taig like Rawk the pro-faggot retard is!

True Muslims & Jews have more in common with us Prods than we think,as our 3 religions are called the Abrahamic religions.

As for the Pope of Rome being a Nazi scumbag,this is a fact,as His Hellness was a Hitler Youth member,& was expressing sectarian & racial hatred in a speech back in 2000 in which the scumbag had the cheek to label the Prod Churches,especially the Anglican & Lutheran Churches as 'deficient'.This notorious speech caused a lot of offence.

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Postby Bill » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:31 pm

BC Numismatics wrote: in a speech back in 2000 in which the scumbag had the cheek to label the Prod Churches,especially the Anglican & Lutheran Churches as 'deficient'.Aidan.


From listening to your regular rantings that sounds about right to me

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Postby BC Numismatics » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:34 pm

Bill,we all know that you are one who does engage in the idolatrous worship of the Pope of Rome.Both you & His Hellness would get along fine - as pals!

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Postby RRichie » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:51 pm

Excuse me I am a Catholic, am I in the wrong place.
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Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:54 pm

RRichie wrote:Excuse me I am a Catholic, am I in the wrong place.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep it to yourself and don't tell the dribbling mong Nadia and you will be fine... :wink:
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Postby BC Numismatics » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:19 pm

RRichie,you should do one thing - become a Protestant! Romanism's a load of idolatrous mumbo-jumbo.I became a Protestant many years ago,thanks to the Pope of Rome's cult being so bigoted.

Cyprusgrump,YOU ARE being a dick by referring to me as 'Nadia'.This is what you look like; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baboon .

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Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:20 pm

BC Numismatics wrote:RRichie,you should do one thing - become a Protestant! Romanism's a load of idolatrous mumbo-jumbo.I became a Protestant many years ago,thanks to the Pope of Rome's cult being so bigoted.

Cyprusgrump,YOU ARE being a dick by referring to me as 'Nadia'.This is what you look like; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baboon .

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Of course Nadia, of course... :roll:
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Postby RRichie » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:22 pm

Only joking, went to a Catholic school but dont believe in religion its the cause of all conflicts.
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Postby Southerner » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:29 pm

BC Numismatics wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
BC Numismatics wrote:Rawk,you are a classic example of a major league wanker,just like your idol,the Nazi scumbag called the Pope of Rome!

You need to go & get your head examined!

Aidan.


How can you condemn Islamaphobia and then make a statement like:

"the Nazi scumbag called the Pope of Rome"?

This is rank hypocrisy. You are either for religious tolerance or against it.


Tim,I'm a Protestant,not a Hell-bound idol-worshipping Taig like Rawk the pro-faggot retard is!

True Muslims & Jews have more in common with us Prods than we think,as our 3 religions are called the Abrahamic religions.

As for the Pope of Rome being a Nazi scumbag,this is a fact,as His Hellness was a Hitler Youth member,& was expressing sectarian & racial hatred in a speech back in 2000 in which the scumbag had the cheek to label the Prod Churches,especially the Anglican & Lutheran Churches as 'deficient'.This notorious speech caused a lot of offence.
Aidan.


You are so typical of left wing PC bigots.
So the pope was in the Hitler youth, you should have tried not being a member in those days.
I would like to see the transcrpits of these so called racist speeches, just remember Enoch Powell (PBUH) was accused of racism by the left wing morons when in actual fact what he said was totaly misconstrued.

So less of the Pope bussiness nobody here is promoting the Christian church this thread is about a moron from the most evil pariah sweeping the world today a religion that is just as divided as the Christian religion.
Islam will go down in history as one of the greatest plagues
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