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[Southerner]

[i condemn the killing of innocents unless it is for murder or spreading mischief in the land

So under islam it is ok to murder someone and spread mischief; wow the mind boggles

[QAMERSLAND]

Please put some light in other crimes like shop lifting, street crimes, killing in Arab countries as compared to western countries.
We are here to discuss anything friendly and we will condemn any wrong practices done whether by Muslims or non Muslims
Take care
May Our creator guide us to follow the right path

Is suicide bombing not a street crime, will you go to Bali and confront the muslim cleric who promised umpteen virgins to the murdering bombers when they entered heaven?

To kill innocent human being are prohabited in islam and i think i need to remind you again and again.

God only knows if they will go to heaven or hell.

i condemn the killing of innocents unless it is for murder or spreading mischief in the land

Yes we know what you said but you'r in the wrong place on this forum you should be preaching to your own kind and putting your own house in order before you come here imposing your views on us.
What ans example muslims in Iraq and pakistan are setting for such a peacful religion.

Dear Southner,
i am here as you are here. you are free to say whatever you want and i am also free whatever i want to say? i am not here to impose anything but just to share the religion of truth.

i have said again and again that you are free to ignore and you are free to accept or reject. my duty is to convey the message with best possible way and it is not my duty to convince you or to make you to accept. It is God who opens the heart of people.

i can also tell you to fix your house before maligning Islam and can put you prove from Bible that you may not be able to answer as well as dark sides of your society but i am not here to discuss the differences but similarities. Lets see what are the similarities in Islam and Christianity.


Al-Qur'an 3:64
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

Al-Qur'an 20:25-28
Greet you in the same manner as Jesus (pbuh) greeted in Hebrew Luke 24:36
AND AS THEY THUS SPAKE JESUS HIMSELF STOOD IN THE MIDST OF THEM
AND SAITH UNTO THEM PEACE BE UNTO YOU.( Sholam alay kum’)

Sholam alay kum’
or Islamic greeting in Arabic Assalaamu alai kum
both meaning ‘Peace be on you’.

I ISLAM

1. DEFINITION

A. Meaning of Islam

(i) Islam is derived from the word salaam meaning peace.

(ii) Submission to the Will of Allah (swt) i.e. God Almighty.

B. Meaning of ‘Muslim’ – One who submits his will to Allah.

C. Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

2. MESSENGERS IN ISLAM
A. (i) To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur'an 35:24
Al-Qur'an 13:7
(ii) 25 Prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an

(iii) Islam is the only non-Christian faith that believes in Jesus (pbuh)
(iv) Stories only of some prophets mentioned in Qur'an
Al-Qur'an 4:164
Al-Qur'an 40:78
(v) More than 1,24,000 Messengers according to Hadith

B. (i) Previous Messengers were only sent for their people and nation and their complete message was meant only for a particular time period.

(ii) Moses (pbuh) was only sent for the Jews.
(iii) Jesus (pbuh) sent only for the Jews i.e. lost sheep of Israel.
Al-Qur'an 3:49
Mathew 10:5-6 10-5- THESE TWELVE JESUS SENT FORTH AND COMMANDED THEM SAYING GO NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES AND INTO ANY CITY OF THE SAMARITANS ENTER YE NOT-
/10-6- BUT GO RATHER TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

Mathew 15:24 But he answered and said I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of The House of Israel
(iv) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last and Final Messenger for the
Whole of Mankind.
Al-Qur'an 33:40
Al-Qur'an 21:107
Al-Qur'an 34:28
Sahih Bukhari Vol.1 Book of Salaah Chapter 56 Hadith No. 429


(v) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prophesized in the Bible.
Al-Qur'an 7:157
Al-Qur'an 61:6
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Isaiah 29:12 and the writing is delivered to him that is not learned, saying: 'Read this, I pray thee'; and he saith: 'I am not learned.' {S}
Song of Solomon 5:16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'

(John 16:7: NEVERTHELESS I TELL YOU THE TRUTH IT IS EXPEDIENT FOR YOU THAT I GO AWAY- FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY
THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU BUT IF I DEPART
I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU.)
(John 16:12-14: I HAVE YET MANY THINGS TO SAY UNTO YOU BUT YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW.
16-13- HOWBEIT WHEN HE
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS COME
HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH- FOR HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF BUT WHATSOEVER HE SHALL HEAR THAT SHALL HE SPEAK- AND HE WILL SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME.
16-14- HE SHALL GLORIFY ME- FOR HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE
AND SHALL SHEW IT UNTO YOU.

3. REVELATIONS OF GOD
A. Several Revelations sent by Allah – Al-Qur'an 13:38.
By name only four are mentioned in the Qur’an.
B. (i) The Qur’an is the Last and Final Revelation.

(ii) All previous Revelations before Qur'an were only sent for a particular group of people and for a particular time period
(iii) The Qur’an was Revealed for the Whole of Mankind
Al-Qur'an 14:1
Al-Qur'an 14:52
Al-Qur'an 2:185
Al-Qur'an 39:41
II PILLARS OF ISLAM:

1. Tauheed: Monotheism
A. La ilaha ilallahu, Muhammad-ur-Rasoolullah
Sahih Bukhari Vol. 1 Hadith No. 7
B. Believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels and the Book and the Messengers.
Al-Qur'an 2:177
C. Come to common terms — Worship of one God
Al-Qur'an 3:64
D. Concept of God
Al-Qur'an 112:1-4
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Mark 12:29 AND JESUS ANSWERED HIM THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD-

E. Shirk – Biggest Sin
Al-Qur'an 4:48
Al-Qur'an 4:116
Exodus 20:2-5
2 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
3 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
4 thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
5 and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments. {S}
Deuteronomy 5:7-9
7 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, even any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
8 Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate Me
9 and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments. {S}
F. Jesus (pbuh) not God. He never claimed Divinity
Al-Qur'an 5:72
John 14:28YE HAVE HEARD HOW I SAID UNTO YOU
I GO AWAY AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU. IF YE LOVED ME
YE WOULD REJOICE BECAUSE I SAID I GO UNTO THE FATHER- FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 10:29 MY FATHER WHICH GAVE THEM ME IS GREATER THAN ALL AND NO MAN IS ABLE TO PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER'S HAND.

Mathew 12:28 BUT IF I CAST OUT DEVILS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD
THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UNTO YOU.

Luke 11:20 BUT IF I WITH THE FINGER OF GOD CAST OUT DEVILS
NO DOUBT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UPON YOU.

John 5:30 I CAN OF MINE OWN SELF DO NOTHING- AS I HEAR
I JUDGE- AND MY JUDGMENT IS JUST BECAUSE I SEEK NOT MINE OWN WILL
BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME.

Acts 2:21 YE MEN OF ISRAEL HEAR THESE WORDS JESUS OF NAZARETH A MAN APPROVED OF GOD AMONG YOU BY MIRACLES AND WONDERS AND SIGNS WHICH GOD DID BY HIM IN THE MIDST OF YOU AS YE YOURSELVES ALSO KNOW-

G. 99 Attributes of Almighty God
Al-Qur'an 17:110
H. Prefer using name ‘Allah’ rather than the word ‘God’ as the word ‘God’ can be played around with. Allah in the Bible – Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani
Mark 15:34 AND AT THE NINTH HOUR JESUS CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE
SAYING ELOI ELOI LAMA SABACHTHANI?
WHICH IS BEING INTERPRETED MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?

Mathew 27:46 AND ABOUT THE NINTH HOUR JESUS CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE
SAYING ELI ELI LAMA SABACHTHANI? THAT IS TO SAY MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?

[Tim Drayton]

When Qamersland talks of "mischief making", he is referring to the Islamic concept of "fitna". In other words, if anybody is guilty of "fitna" they may legitimately be killed under Sharia. The problem is that "fitna" is a very broad and loose concept and permits just about anybody who opens their mouth and rocks the boat by questioning the legitimacy of Sharia to be killed. I will go into this concept when I find time. I am still doing slavery at the moment. In the mean time the following reference will serve as a basic introduction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna

[Southerner]

[i can also tell you to fix your house before maligning Islam and can put you prove from Bible that you may not be able to answer as well as dark sides of your society but i am not here to discuss the differences but similarities. Lets see what are the similarities in Islam and Christianity.

We didn't come here promoting Christianity it is you who came here promoting islam.
With all the disgusting things that are going on by muslims in muslim countries you should be preaching to them not us. You don't honestly think that we would give up what we have in favour of reverting to morons who rant and riot at every verse end and begining, to many of us islam is renta mob

Put your own house in order the come back and preach to us

[cyprusgrump]

[i can also tell you to fix your house before maligning Islam and can put you prove from Bible that you may not be able to answer as well as dark sides of your society but i am not here to discuss the differences but similarities. Lets see what are the similarities in Islam and Christianity.

We didn't come here promoting Christianity it is you who came here promoting islam.
With all the disgusting things that are going on by muslims in muslim countries you should be preaching to them not us. You don't honestly think that we would give up what we have in favour of reverting to morons who rant and riot at every verse end and begining, to many of us islam is renta mob

Put your own house in order the come back and preach to us

My family and I have no interest in returning to the dark ages than you QAMERSLAND…

[Tim Drayton]

It seems that Abdurrahman Wahid, the president of Indonesia and a Muslim, agrees with the thesis I have been presenting.
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Indonesian Observer
March 2, 2000

Wahid urges talks on Indonesian women working in Saudi Arabia

JAKARTA (IO) — President Abdurrahman Wahid says Indonesia must hold talks
with Saudi Arabia on the treatment of Indonesian women employed as maids in
the oil-rich country.

"We must hold a discussion so that we can resolve the existing problems and
both sides can understand each other. Indonesia no longer believes in
slavery," he told members of the Mobile Brigade Police in Depok, West Java,
yesterday.

He expressed concern that many Saudis may treat their Indonesian servants as
slaves and sexually harass them.

Many Indonesian women who have worked abroad come home with horror stories of
being raped and badly treated by their foreign bosses.

But according to Wahid, the Indonesian media often makes inaccurate reports
on what goes on in Saudi Arabia.

"The media’s descriptions created a public perception that our women workers
were raped. The situation is not like that. The Saudi people still believe in
the old Islamic teaching, which is belief in slavery. So a woman who works
for them is considered a slave," he said.

For some men in Saudi Arabia, sexual relations with a housemaid are not
considered as rape, because they believe that such a practice is permitted by
their beliefs, he added.

Wahid also stressed the Saudi government does not believe in slavery, but the
practice is still common in society.

Therefore, he agreed with a demand from a policewoman who appealed to the
president to allow Indonesian policewomen to go to foreign countries to help
any Indonesian females who encounter problems.

"I also hope that policewomen will be sent to protect Indonesia’s women
workers. I will talk with the minister of religious affairs so that he can
arrange this," said Wahid.

"I also hope that policewomen will be able to give insight to employers of
Indonesian workers. Your role is very important in resolving these problems
because you are well educated," he added.

Protection

President Wahid said he has also ordered Manpower Minister Bomer Pasaribu to
give adequate protection to Indonesians working abroad, especially those sent
to Saudi Arabia.

"Other countries require recruitment agencies to make a deposit of US$5,000
for every worker sent abroad. The money is needed if a problem should arise
with the worker. I think we must take it as an example," he said.

"I have seen the huge number of Indonesian workers queuing up to seek help
from the Indonesian Consulate in Jeddah [Saudi Arabia]. They became victims
of an unfair system."

Wahid said part of a US$5,000 deposit could be used to buy a plane ticket for
a worker who encounters employment problems abroad. The rest of the money
must go to the worker, he added.
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Note the words:
"The Saudi people still believe in
the old Islamic teaching, which is belief in slavery. So a woman who works
for them is considered a slave," he said."

We are back to the concept of the "right-hand possession". Qamersland argues for a totally literal application of the words of the Quran in his vision of life under Sharia law. He believes that the Quran is the literal word of God as revealed to mankind through Muhammad. He rejects the view that these rules were framed specifically with reerence to the level of civilisation attained by bedouins in the Arabian desert in the sixth century, and says that these rules are binding on all of mankind from the time they were written in the Quran until judgment day. Well, let us see what God in the Quran has to say about "right-hand possessions". There are numerous references:
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4:3
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
4:24
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
4:25
If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
16:71
Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah.
23: 5 and 6
Who abstain from sex,
Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
24:58
O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence), on three occasions: before morning prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after the late-night prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other: Thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
30:28
He does propound to you a similitude from your own (experience): do ye have partners among those whom your right hands possess, to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Do ye fear them as ye fear each other? Thus do we explain the Signs in detail to a people that understand.
33:50
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
33:55
There is no blame (on these ladies if they appear) before their fathers or their sons, their brothers, or their brother’s sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the (slaves) whom their right hands possess. And, (ladies), fear Allah. for Allah is Witness to all things.
70: 29 and 30
And those who guard their chastity,
Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
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Consequently, if you accept the view that the Quran lies down binding rules for all of humanity until the end of time, it is clear that the concept of a "right-hand possession" has an important role to play. Otherwise why would God, supposedly addressing all of mankind for all time, have laid so much stress on that point. If you are going to base a system of law on these commandments, clearly this system of law will have to include the institution of a "right-hand possession".

However, this concept is very strange to people living in modern, democratic countries in which slavery is illegal. Perhaps, in view of this, Qamersland would outline how the concept of a "right-hand possession" fits in with his vision of Sharia law as it may be applied to the modern world? I have already posed this question once and been answered with silence.

Surely this concept lies at the heart of debate over whether Islam condones rape or not. It seems to me that, if you take a literal look at Islamic texts, there is no concept of consent on the part of the women. The rules simply stipulate which women one (a man) may lawfully have sex with, and those with which you may not. You may have sex with either one of your wives, or one of your "right-hand possessions". The question of whether the women gives her consent or not appears to be an irrelevance. In other words, there is no meaningful distinction between consensual intercourse and rape as far as the women is concerned. This may have been acceptable under the moral code of the bedouin eking out an existence in the desert centuries ago. However, modern penal law most certainly does make a distinction. This is the crux of the issue, as Indonesian President, Abdurrahman Wahid, has so aptly pointed out.

So, I repeat a previous question which I posed to Qamersland. If a foreign women goes to work as a housemaid in Saudi Arabia, is she to be classified as a "right-hand possession" so that, should he employer have non-consensual sexual relations with her, this constitutes canonically lawful sex?

[Tim Drayton]

QAMERSLAND, what is wrong with secularism?
As you know, there are over ninety million Muslims in Turkey. Most people in Turkey classify themselves as Muslims and also strongly support the secular order that has been in place there since modern Turkey was established by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
In Europe, church and state parted ways and the continent left the dark ages. People are free to practice their religions, or not, as they wish, within the bounds of what is permitted by the law. So, Muslims may pray five times a day, fast during Ramadan and give two and a half percent of their income to charity. However, they may not keep sex slaves. Christains are free to worship in any way they wish. They may not, however, engage in medieval practices like burning witches or torturing scientists into claiming that the earth goes round the sun.
As I have already shown, Sharia law is incompatible with the complexity of modern life and contemporarty morality. Imposing Sharia law means forcing people to accept the moral code of a group of hunter gatherers living fourteen thousand years ago.
Secular systems of law grant universal rights and impose universal obligations on everybody. It does not, unlike Sharia law, favour members of one religion over another. If your only wish is to live as a good Muslim and follow your religion, what possible objection can you have to this? The only possible reason is that you have a hidden agenda.

[Tim Drayton]

Allegedly stories of abuse suffered by Asian workers in Arabia are just Western propaganda. Well, the following story comes from an Arab newspaper, Arab News, dated 10 April 2005.
Muhammad supposedly exorted his followers to treat their slaves well. Why has the message not got through to these people living in the very country where Islam was born?
You say that Sharia law is not implemented 100% anywhere. Please explain how Sharia law should be implemented to prevent incidents like these from taking place. Surely, if housemaids are "right-hand possessions" this grants their employers the right to treat them as they please.
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Another Maid Fights to Stay Alive After Rape, Torture
M. Ghazanfar Ali Khan, Arab News

RIYADH, 10 April 2005 — Another Indonesian guest worker is battling to stay alive after being subjected to sadistic tortures and rape by her sponsor.

Twenty-five-year-old Suniati Binti Nibaran Sujari is in intensive care with burns to more than half of her body and brutal injuries to her genitals as her life hangs in the balance.

The woman, who worked as maid, was rushed to the intensive care unit of the Riyadh Medical Complex (Shumaysi Hospital) on Thursday morning. Her employer has been detained and is being questioned by police about allegations of sexual harassment and physical torture.

This is the second case of inhuman torture of an Indonesian maid that has surfaced within the last three weeks. Nasser Al-Dandani, the Saudi lawyer who represents the Indonesian Embassy in this case, confirmed the reports of the torture of Suniati but refused to divulge details of the case.

“I don’t want to influence the investigation currently being carried out in this equally tragic case after the much-publicized case of Nour Miyati, who is currently recovering in the King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.”

However, Arif Suyoko, a spokesman for the Indonesian Embassy, gave details of the case.

“Suniati has suffered extensive burn injuries on her face, her hands, legs and all across her abdomen and genitals. She could only nod her head and blink her eyes when the name of her employer as culprit was mentioned to her in the hospital,” said Suyoko, referring to her deteriorating condition at the ICU. She is unable to swallow solid foods because of severe burns on her chest.

Hospital officials did not pick up the phones despite several calls made by Arab News yesterday. But, a source at the hospital, on condition of anonymity, said Suniati is in a critical condition. The source, however, refused to comment on her chances for survival.

“Suniati probably has been raped besides being tortured by her sponsor and his family members,” Suyoko said. “On different parts of her body, there are deep burn injuries and scars, while the skin has been badly damaged.”

He said the embassy appreciated the cooperation extended by Saudi officials in the two cases. It was not immediately known how long Suniati worked for the family. She hails from West Java in Indonesia. Embassy officials also expressed concern that cases of sadistic torture and brutal beatings of housemaids appear to be increasing.

“There is a need to streamline the whole process of maid deployment,” said another diplomat, adding that Jakarta’s ban on deployment of maids in Saudi Arabia continues. “A joint meeting of senior Indonesian officials from the Ministries of Labor, Law, certain human rights organizations and ambassadors of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Kuwait and Jordan is likely to be convened in Jakarta this month to make an assessment of the situation and review the ban on maids.”

Saudi Arabia currently is home to more than 600,000 Indonesian women workers — mainly maids. The Indonesian Embassy in Riyadh has been receiving nearly 10 complaints every day from maids, while the Indonesian Consulate in Jeddah has been handling some five to seven complaints a day.

Several Indonesian maids committed suicide during the last 18 months. More than 5,000 maids are currently stranded in Riyadh alone awaiting deportation.

[QAMERSLAND]

A few Questions Needs Thought More than Answer from Every Christian...


1. In Matthew chapter 15, verse 24:
Christ told his disciples: “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”


Question:
The Message is Limited to the Children Of Israel ,so why do you follow a message which is not meant for you ?

2. MARK 12:29-34 —
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord....

..........Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he



Question:
Did you read that?.... none other but he?!

Question:
Jesus has said clearly that Our God is One So why do you divide God into three ?

Common sense says 1+1+1 = 3 Not 1

Please take a moment of thought with these words
Our God is One "1"

3. ‘Why do you call me Good? Jesus Answered ‘No One is Good- Except God Alone”
(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)


"AND Jesus said unto him, WHY CALLEST THOU ME GOOD? there is NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD...." MATTHEW 19:16-17

Question :
So I also ask "Why" do you Call Jesus God if he DID NOT accept being called GOOD ?!!

And Why do Call Jesus God? if he said "None is Good but the ONE, THAT IS GOD...." Not Jesus(pbuh), Not The Holy Spirit.... But The One good God!!

4. "...This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee." (Matthew 21:11)

"..Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people" (Luke 24:19:).

Question:
Jesus is clearly represented as a Prophet , So why do you call him God?!

5. Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn.14:28).

Jesus said; "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is the one who is sent greater than the one who sent him."
(John 13:16).

Question:
How can you Put Jesus in the level Of God, but even go far to say he's God himself, when he (Jesus) clearly says that the father who sent him is greater than him ?

6." I can of mine own self DO NOTHING...."
(JOHN 5:30)

Question :
Can a God Be Powerless ?

7."....(Jesus) saith, I THIRST ."
John 19:28

Question :
Did i read that right A THIRSTY GOD ?


8." Jesus WEPT ." John 11:35

Question :
A WEEPING (CRYING) God?!!!


When he was Eight days old he was circumcised ,and named Jesus by the angel when he was in his mothers womb. Luke 2:21

Question :
A Baby God ?!!!! 8 days old?!!!!!!!!!


Question :
A God being Circumcised ?!!!!!!!


Question:
Why don't Christians circumcise their males, if their claimed (Jewish) God himself was Circumcised? Oh! by the way, Jesus(pbuh) was a Jewish Man!!


Question :
A God confined to a womb & attached to a placenta?!!!!!!!!!

Comment:
1% brain power is only need to answer these question!!


Some Christians claim that Jesus had No father , so his father is God !!!

Question :
Eve peace be Upon her had No Mother so does that make God her Mother?


Question:
Adam peace be upon him had NO father and NO mother so does that make him A Bigger God???!


Verily, the likeness of 'Isâ (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
Quran 3:59

9. "The Son Shall not bear the inquity of the father...."
(Ezekiel 18:20)

Question:
The verse clearly says that the Sin is not inherited So why do you believe in Original Sin? and Why should I inherit the Sin of My Parents if I Did Not comit their Sin ?

What Sin did I Commit ?!

NOT ORIGINAL SIN BUT ORIGINAL FORGIVNESS!!!


10. "......every man shall receive his own reward.....to his own labour"
(1 Corinthians 3:8)

Question :
According to the verse every man is going to Judged according to his own Work in this life ,so where does believing in trinity or in the claimed cross stand ?or the cross salivation theory: Sin hanger,Pre-Paid Sin!! stand ?!

and what happens to the nations who never knew Jesus(pbuh) i.e those who were worshiping the One unique Creator,before even Jesus(pbuh) was born, how would they get salivation from Hell?!!


And wouldn't it be unfair for the people who worshiped other gods with god & were Cursed by God,to enter the hell fire,For the same crime that many Christians do today?! in worshiping Jesus(pbuh) with God?!! And what was the use then of all the Prophets(peace be upon them all) whos main message was to"Worship God Alone"?!!

MARK 12:29-34 —
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord....


Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ('Isâ (Jesus)) son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ('Isâ (Jesus)) said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.
Quran 5:72





Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no Iilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them.
Quran 5:73


Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

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Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

Question :
The Old Testament that every Jew & Christian believes in, forbids strictly Worshiping other gods, except the God of Israel, so how come Christians Worship a human- Jesus(pbuh)?!...this is a LOAD!!! contradiction to the teachings of the Old testament that they Should believe in!!!


"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
(Matthew 5:17)



Verily, those who disbelieve in Allâh and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allâh and His Messengers (by believing in Allâh and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, "We believe in some but reject others," and wish to adopt a way in between.
Quran 4:150

[QAMERSLAND]

[i can also tell you to fix your house before maligning Islam and can put you prove from Bible that you may not be able to answer as well as dark sides of your society but i am not here to discuss the differences but similarities. Lets see what are the similarities in Islam and Christianity.

We didn't come here promoting Christianity it is you who came here promoting islam.
With all the disgusting things that are going on by muslims in muslim countries you should be preaching to them not us. You don't honestly think that we would give up what we have in favour of reverting to morons who rant and riot at every verse end and begining, to many of us islam is renta mob

Put your own house in order the come back and preach to us

I am here not only to put my house but all world in order. there are more disgusting things happening in the non muslims countries but you are putting finger on us to hide dark sides of your societies.

thousands of rape happening in your countries which international media do not highlight as if few cases happen in the muslim countries and they highlight days and weeks continuously.

women is being used for sex and pleasure and they are used to expose their bodies to promote products. you found new born babies in the garbage bins and made centers now where people can leave new born babies.

most of wrong going on in muslim countries are because of injustice behavior of non Muslim countries who are controlling the world economy and politics.

you have double standards,double faces and double policies.

you are selfish people who have killed 100 s of thousands innocent Muslims people in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine and then ask why there are suicide bombers.

have you ever thought that you are the responsible for it?

you will naver accept the fact because you are selfish and just see that if your house is safe and you don't care that there are people suffering in the world and paying the price of your luxurious life?