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Postby Southerner » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:25 pm

zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full......... :roll: :roll: :roll:


So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


As stupid as you to take any of that seriously :roll: :roll: The point was that you are taking all Muslims and tainting them with your shit. There is a war for oil and that is the shit you have been fed...It was no coincidence that the papers went religion mad on christianity just as the US and he UK went into Iraq. Made you froth at the mouth anyway........Chill out geezer :roll: :roll:

Just refer to my reply, I answered yours.
What had the Russian Orthadox Church to do with the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
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Postby Southerner » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:28 pm

rajput49 wrote:again and again stereotypes replies are coming no one is willing to do some search and think about religion of islam and come up with something solid all fairy tales as far as i am concerned so far no member has come up with some questions all with allegations.as oranos asked for what islam has given to the world in last 400 years.
THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
THE MOON'S ORBIT
CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE
THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
THE PROTECTED ROOF
THE SKY MADE A DOME
THE RETURNING SKY
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
THE SPLITTING EARTH
THE MIRACLE OF IRON
THE FORMATION OF PETROL
THE RELATIVITY OF TIME
CREATION IN SIX DAYS
THE TRUTH OF DESTINY
DUALITY IN CREATION
SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES
BLACK HOLES
PULSARS: PULSATING STARS
THE STAR SIRIUS
LIGHT AND DARK
COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE
THE WEIGHT OF CLOUDS
THE PROPORTION OF RAIN
THE FORMATION OF RAIN
RAINS WHICH BRING A DEAD LAND BACK TO LIFE
THE FORMATION OF HAIL, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
THE FECUNDATING WINDS
THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
CREATION FROM CLAY
THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
THE FORMATION OF MILK
MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
THE MIRACLE OF HONEY
THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
ANT COMMUNICATION
THE FOOD CYCLE
THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGHT
all these are there in quran from 1400 years that all scientists are just proving today islam gave the book that is beyond the limits of boundries of time.beauty of book is that it has guidence for people 1400 years ago and has 1400 after.no other book on earth can stand for test of time.quran says
bring ur proof if u r at truth
quran says
Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding. ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #164)
by the way what christianity has brought to this world from the time after jesus.no contribution at all
Leading Scientists Still Reject God as it has happened from centuries.not long ago people were executed by church for beleiving in science.quran hasw scientific facts

A recent survey showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.

Survey answers among "greater" scientists %
NAS
members 7%
21%
72%

belief in God agnostic atheists

Belief in personal God 1998
Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8

Belief in human immortality 1998
Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3

have a look at these videos among many of others where scientists and doctors after reading quran comes to islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IspK651RpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUZR6XwU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP-2IqH_ ... re=related
and last not least ur own """Steven Demetre Georgiou """or cat stevans as everyone knows him pride of cyprus who was very popular has sold over 60 million albums around the world since the late 1960s.at the height of his fame he reverted to islam.He has been given several awards for his work in promoting peace in the world, including the 2004 man of peace award and the 2007 Mediterranean Prize for Peace.
http://www.yusufislam.com/


Is this load of garbage in place of saying three hail allahs (pox be unto him)
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Postby zan » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:41 pm

Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full......... :roll: :roll: :roll:


So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


As stupid as you to take any of that seriously :roll: :roll: The point was that you are taking all Muslims and tainting them with your shit. There is a war for oil and that is the shit you have been fed...It was no coincidence that the papers went religion mad on christianity just as the US and he UK went into Iraq. Made you froth at the mouth anyway........Chill out geezer :roll: :roll:

Just refer to my reply, I answered yours.
What had the Russian Orthadox Church to do with the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.


The Orthodox church works in mysterious ways...... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/code]
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Postby Southerner » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:54 am

zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full......... :roll: :roll: :roll:


So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


As stupid as you to take any of that seriously :roll: :roll: The point was that you are taking all Muslims and tainting them with your shit. There is a war for oil and that is the shit you have been fed...It was no coincidence that the papers went religion mad on christianity just as the US and he UK went into Iraq. Made you froth at the mouth anyway........Chill out geezer :roll: :roll:

Just refer to my reply, I answered yours.
What had the Russian Orthadox Church to do with the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.


The Orthodox church works in mysterious ways...... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/code]


Wow fairy stories now, Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:01 am

Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:
Southerner wrote:
zan wrote:This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full......... :roll: :roll: :roll:


So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


As stupid as you to take any of that seriously :roll: :roll: The point was that you are taking all Muslims and tainting them with your shit. There is a war for oil and that is the shit you have been fed...It was no coincidence that the papers went religion mad on christianity just as the US and he UK went into Iraq. Made you froth at the mouth anyway........Chill out geezer :roll: :roll:

Just refer to my reply, I answered yours.
What had the Russian Orthadox Church to do with the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.


The Orthodox church works in mysterious ways...... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: [/code]


Wow fairy stories now, Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble. :lol: :lol: :lol:


The Russians got blamed for everything else so why the hell not :lol: :lol:
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Postby rawk » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:52 am

Southerner wrote:
rajput49 wrote:again and again stereotypes replies are coming no one is willing to do some search and think about religion of islam and come up with something solid all fairy tales as far as i am concerned so far no member has come up with some questions all with allegations.as oranos asked for what islam has given to the world in last 400 years.
THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
THE MOON'S ORBIT
CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE
THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
THE PROTECTED ROOF
THE SKY MADE A DOME
THE RETURNING SKY
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
THE SPLITTING EARTH
THE MIRACLE OF IRON
THE FORMATION OF PETROL
THE RELATIVITY OF TIME
CREATION IN SIX DAYS
THE TRUTH OF DESTINY
DUALITY IN CREATION
SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES
BLACK HOLES
PULSARS: PULSATING STARS
THE STAR SIRIUS
LIGHT AND DARK
COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE
THE WEIGHT OF CLOUDS
THE PROPORTION OF RAIN
THE FORMATION OF RAIN
RAINS WHICH BRING A DEAD LAND BACK TO LIFE
THE FORMATION OF HAIL, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
THE FECUNDATING WINDS
THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
CREATION FROM CLAY
THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
THE FORMATION OF MILK
MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
THE MIRACLE OF HONEY
THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
ANT COMMUNICATION
THE FOOD CYCLE
THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGHT
all these are there in quran from 1400 years that all scientists are just proving today islam gave the book that is beyond the limits of boundries of time.beauty of book is that it has guidence for people 1400 years ago and has 1400 after.no other book on earth can stand for test of time.quran says
bring ur proof if u r at truth
quran says
Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding. ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #164)
by the way what christianity has brought to this world from the time after jesus.no contribution at all
Leading Scientists Still Reject God as it has happened from centuries.not long ago people were executed by church for beleiving in science.quran hasw scientific facts

A recent survey showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.

Survey answers among "greater" scientists %
NAS
members 7%
21%
72%

belief in God agnostic atheists

Belief in personal God 1998
Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8

Belief in human immortality 1998
Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3

have a look at these videos among many of others where scientists and doctors after reading quran comes to islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IspK651RpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUZR6XwU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP-2IqH_ ... re=related
and last not least ur own """Steven Demetre Georgiou """or cat stevans as everyone knows him pride of cyprus who was very popular has sold over 60 million albums around the world since the late 1960s.at the height of his fame he reverted to islam.He has been given several awards for his work in promoting peace in the world, including the 2004 man of peace award and the 2007 Mediterranean Prize for Peace.
http://www.yusufislam.com/


Is this load of garbage in place of saying three hail allahs (pox be unto him)


What about the internet then? Oh brother Squammers of Limassol Mosque and the usual load of bolloks of catch me if I'm in and not across the road having a couple of sherbets in the local taverna.

The True Origin of the Internet

In ancient Israel, it came to pass that a trader by
the name of Abraham Com did take unto himself a young
wife by the name of Dot.

And Dot Com was a comely woman, broad of shoulder and
long of leg. Indeed, she had been called 'Amazon Dot
Com.'

And she said unto Abraham, her husband, "Why doth thou
travel far from town to town with thy goods when thou
can trade without ever leaving thy tent?"

And Abraham did look at her as though she were several
saddle bags short of a camel load, but simply said,
"How, dear?"And Dot replied, "I will place drums in
all the towns and drums in between to send messages
saying what you have for sale and they will reply
telling you which hath the best price. And the sale
can be made on the drums and delivery made by Uriah's
Pony Stable (UPS)."

Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot have
her way with the drums. And the drums rang out and
were an immediate success. Abraham sold all the goods
he had at the top price, without ever moving from his
tent.

But this success did arouse envy. A man named Maccabia
did secrete himself inside Abraham's drum and was
accused of insider trading. And the young man did take
to Dot Com's trading as doth the greedy horsefly take
to camel dung. They were called Nomadic Ecclesiastical
Rich Dominican Siderites, or NERDS for short.

And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the new
riches and the deafening sound of drums that no one
noticed that the real riches were going to the drum
maker, one Brother William of Gates, who bought up
every drum company in the land. And indeed did insist
on making drums that would work only with Brother
Gates' drumheads and drumsticks.

And Dot did say, "Oh, Abraham, what we have started is
being taken over by others."

And as Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, or
as it came to be known "eBay" he said, "We need a name
that reflects what we are."

And Dot replied, "Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner
Operators."

"YAHOO," said Abraham.

And that is how it all began. It wasn't Al Gore after
all.

Over to you Squammers! It makes as much sense as the convoluted claptrap you've been chucking out of late! Obviously the wrong time of month.......eh?

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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:51 pm

rajput49 wrote:mr tim thanks for ur interest in asking questions about misconceptions about islam.in islam if there is any law of land that is not contradictory to the laws of religion or shariaa, can be followed as u gave an example of women getting 150 lashes we dont know what charges she had against her apart from adultry if the law of uae asks for 50 lashes for some other offence we have to check whole background and law of united arab emirates or anyother state.now we have situation where right hand possessions are discussed first go to previous postys where this point is explained and even though there is concept of right hand possessions it was for the time of war and for war only.and it was normal practice of the people of time islam is the one that encouraged people to free their slaves and emphasis was made on their treatment.in pure islamic state that was present after prophet returned to mecca victorious from medina there is no such things.slavery in those times was common like we have a """"moderen day slavery"""our jobs there are laws for job conditions and job environmnet but how many times we face a situation where people are misused.same is the case with slavery concept laws were there to abide by as anyother law.u msut understand the fact that their is no pure islamic state in place in the world right now even saudi arabia doesnt have complete sharia compliant laws thats why these type of issues arises.u must find sources to understand what actualy sharia laws mean once there is a islamic state these cases will be difficult to hide.right now we have muslim countries as muslims are in majority in these countries


What "law of the United Arab Emirates" are you talking about? This women was tried and convicted by a Sharia court under Sharia law. She was convicted of committing adultery and was sentenced to 150 lashes.

Given that it was a Sharia court, what does the Quran have to say about the burden of proof in adultery cases?

Quran 24:3

And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-

Look again at the details of this case. The woman's employer accused his housemaid of committing adultery. The burden of proof required is to supply four witnesses. In fact, the only evidence was a pregnancy test. The Quran does not speak of pregnancy tests or any other corraborating evidence, only of the need to supply four witnesses. In fact, under Sharia law, it was the housemaid's employer - this "wicked transgressor"- who should have received eighty lashes for making such an accusation and not backing it up with four witnesses, rather than the housemaid receiving one hundred and fifty lashes.
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Slavery is part of Islam

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:05 pm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=35518

GLOBAL JIHAD
Saudi sheik: 'Slavery is a part of Islam'
Leading government cleric, author of country's religious curriculum


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com


A leading Saudi government cleric and author of the country's religious curriculum believes Islam advocates slavery.
"Slavery is a part of Islam," says Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, according to the independent Saudi Information Agency, or SIA.


Sheik Al-Fawzan

In a lecture recorded on tape by SIA, the sheik said, "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

His religious books are used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the country and abroad, including the United States.

Al Fawzan – a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia's highest religious body – says Muslims who contend Islam is against slavery "are ignorant, not scholars."

"They are merely writers," he said, according to SIA. "Whoever says such things is an infidel."

Al-Fawzan's best-known textbook, "Al-Tawheed – Monotheism," says most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by "true Muslims."

SIA said although the Saudi government claims religious curriculum is being reformed, Al-Fawzan's books are still in wide use.

Al-Fawzan is a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia's main center of learning for the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam.

SIA noted Al-Fawzan, a leading opponent of curriculum reform, opposes elections and demonstrations as Western influences, is against Arab women marrying non- Arab Muslims and has issued a fatwa forbidding the watching of television.

Al-Fawzan has threatened to behead a Saudi writer and scholar, Sheik Hassan Al-Maliki, for his criticism of Wahhabism, according to SIA. Al-Maliki was fired from his position with the ministry of education after writing a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan's book "Al-Tawheed."
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Re: Can I have an answer, please?

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:12 pm

QAMERSLAND wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Dear Qamersland,

Why do you constantly turn a deaf ear when I call for enlightenment on your faith?

Here is a simple question. Can I have an answer please? Verse 24:2 of the Quran reads:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

I would thern refer your attention to the following article from the March 14 edition of the Gulf Times:

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/uae/uaenews001.htm

in which we learn that the Dubai Shari'a court sentenced a pregnant Asian housemaid to 150 lashes and deportation for adultery.

What confuses me is that Muslims believe the Quran to be the literal word of God as made known to the prophet Muhammad and mankind must obey it to the letter. If it is God's instruction to mankind that those guilty of adultery receive 100 lashes, how can a Sharia court in the United Arab Emirates impose a higher sentence? Does this not amount to the court presuming that it has more authority than God. Also where does deportation fit in? How is this canonically sanctioned. Of course it is very convenient because it gets rid of yet another bastard, half-Arab child produced as a result of the serial rape of a housemaid by her employer and his sons.


I always answer whenever i read the post.

i think rajput39 has answered and you are welcome to ask more.
i advise to you to know Islam by its teaching not by Muslims.

No Court is above the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH


You keep evading the issue.

I am not only condemning a certain section of Gulf Arab society whose members commit the most horrendous abuses of human rights against South Asian workers in their countries, I am also condemning Sharia law which permits these gross violations of human rights to occur.

You are free to condemn these acts. The Bahrain-based Center for Human Rights does so (www.bahrainrights.org). A conference was held by Gulf Arab humen rights activists in Doha on 10-11 June 2007 which focussed on the abuse of Asian migrant workers in the Arab world. Muslims and Muslim Gulf Arabs can and do condemn these human rights abuses. You refuse to do so.

You could argue that Sharia law as currently practised in the Arabian Gulf is not true Sharia. You could argue, as some do, that things were far worse in Arabia before Muhammed came along and the rules imposed by Islam, while falling far short of the respect given to human rights in the modern world, represented a huge step forward at the time. You could state the case for some kind of "enlightened" Islam. You refuse to do so.

Sükut ikrardan gelir derler ya Qamersland beyefendi. Your refusal to condemn any of these abuses or the way Sharia law is incapable of preventing them means that, by remaining silent, you show that the kind of barbarism of which I have given but a few examples is acceptable under the brand of Islam you are promoting.

Western society may not be perfect, but the kind of legal systems we have in secular, democratic countries most certainly do not permit slavery. Sharia does. Accepting Sharia law means accepting the morality of bedouins living in the sixth century at a subsistence level in the Arabian desert who were constantly at war with one another. It was framed with such people in mind. It has nothing to offer the modern world.
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Postby Southerner » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:08 pm

Come on you pious purveyors of this abomination of a religion, let's have some answers.
Do tell us whilst you'r at it about your views on evolution.

And pigs may fly.
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