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[zan]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

If there is Muslim whos mother or daughter is raped, He should let the court to punish the culprit, if the court let the culprit to go free, he should be patient. and he should look after the rape victim and not let it to expose to the world to protect her.
No one has right to go and kill innocent people because some has done injustice to him/her. if you catch the culprit alone, you can punish him.
if you disagree with me, present your prove where Islam says what you have said
i hope you got answer of the question
God knows the best

It is common knowledge that that it is not uncommon in muslim countries; especialy Pakistan that rape victims are murdered by their own familys under the term 'Honour Killing'.
Several such killings have taken place in England recently, the difference being that in Pakistan they get away with it in the UK at least the murderers are jailed.
The parctice on young females of genital mutilation which is common in most muslim countries is also becoming evident in the UK although it is highly illegal.
This is all carried out in the name of islam.
I have yet to see any senior muslim cleric come foreward and condem in public these barbaric practises.
So please don't come foreward with the usual claptrap by saying that it is all western propaganda; it is true these things do happen just as shooting women for getting an education took place in afghanistan; all of it in the name of islam.
Nobody says that the west is perfect; the biggest flaw in your argument is blaming christianity for all the west's wrongdoings including one of you pillocks claimng that Russia (when it was the Soviet Union) was a christian country when in actual fact it is was muticultural.
Not since Medieval times has war been instigated in the name of the Christian faith. [/b]

I am sad to say that some Muslims are not following the teachings of the holy Quran and prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) .That means they are not true Muslims. But that it doesn’t mean that whole Muslims are the same or Islam is not the right or true religion. To understand Islam u have to read and search not just by looking the other people’s acts.
If some Muslims kill their daughters because they got an education that’s not right.
Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said that seeking knowledge is compulsory in every man and woman. Media looking for an opportunity to make Islam looking wrong in the eyes of the people.

This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full.........

[QAMERSLAND]

[If the honor killing takes place in country like Paksitan does not mean that Islam teaches do it. it may be because of their ignorance to Islam and for your information, the Sharia Law is not implemented in Pakistan since its creation. there are very few cases and western media portray like all pakistanis are involved in it.
i have made it clear that to kill rape victim on any name is not allowed in Islam.
i think you do not have access to those Islamic scholars who have condemned it.
God knows the best !

The muslim clerics are very conspicuous by their silence when these things happen, just as the Bali bombings were encouraged by a muslin cleric, surely you should be out there preaching to these false prophets and leaving us alone because whilst you like the rest of your kind keep dismissing their actions as none muslim you do your religion no favours as their conduct only turns people away from islam.

you listened few who favored but ignored thousands who condemned it.

it shows your intention to malign Islam by giving the example of few Muslims here and there among 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.

very negative approach but i assure you that Islam Does not need me or people like me to spread in the world. God knows how to deliver his message. and as much the anti Islamic powers elements are trying to malign Islam, Islam is spreading more fast. the best Islamic preacher today in the world are Americans, British and others from west. who knows tomorrow you will be also witness the true religion of God but it is possible only if God will remove the seal from your heart.

After September 11, Media and USA government were trying to blaim Muslims and people of America were excited to know what kind of this religion that allow to kill innocent. The Quran was finished in the book stores in USA but many of them read the Quran and came to know that there is nothing wrong Quran but found more truth and became Muslims. in 11 months after September 11. 34000 Americans reverted to Islam and now every day 400 to 500 Americans are reverting to Islam every day.

Truth stands out clear from error

[shahmaran]

Oh great

Spread the disease of ignorance even further until we all become religious morons and die from dullness and boredom.

Religion kills the colour of the people, it makes society monochrome.

I guess the only scientific reason i can think for its purpose would be the same as the "heard mentality", gather everyone together physically or mentally in order to increase your chances of survival, again it is all about genetic interest yet it can perpetuate into world wars. Unfortunately belief is an extremely powerful and dangerous side of humans, a double edged knife.

How very simple and predictable, humans have the capability to do SO MUCH better then this, but unfortunately most of them are so sad and blind they need to believe in the fictional almighty powers to actually feel special and worthy of something, it is just plain wrong, i feel sorry for you.

[QAMERSLAND]

Oh great

Spread the disease of ignorance even further until we all become religious morons and die from dullness and boredom.

Religion kills the colour of the people, it makes society monochrome.

I guess the only scientific reason i can think for its purpose would be the same as the "heard mentality", gather everyone together physically or mentally in order to increase your chances of survival, again it is all about genetic interest yet it can perpetuate into world wars. Unfortunately belief is an extremely powerful and dangerous side of humans, a double edged knife.

How very simple and predictable, humans have the capability to do SO MUCH better then this, but unfortunately most of them are so sad and blind they need to believe in the fictional almighty powers to actually feel special and worthy of something, it is just plain wrong, i feel sorry for you.

It is your personal views about religion but the truth is different because you think according to knowledge of what religion is all about. if you grew up in society which is not rightly Guided and religious leaders mislead you. it is not your fault to conclude by simply rejecting and become an atheist.

wish you know Islam and understand why Islam is different than other religion. why Muslims are more practicing Islam than follower of other religion.

Islam provide convincing answers to those who wants to know the purpose his/her creation? one must submit his/her will to the will of Creator to fulfill the purpose of creation.

[Southerner]

This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full.........

So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?!

[Southerner]

If some Muslims kill their daughters because they got an education that’s not right.
Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said that seeking knowledge is compulsory in every man and woman. Media looking for an opportunity to make Islam looking wrong in the eyes of the people.

It wasn't a minority of muslims cheering and shouting inside the sports stadium in Kabul, the place was packed to the seams with ranting, cheering muslims hungry for blood. and what was the blood sport they'd come to see? you've got it, yes target practice from zero mm at the backs of the head of women for such dastardly crimes as learning to read, having you photograph taken.
Where were you? in some safe little mosque no doubt reading the teachings of a the husband of a little girl.

[zan]

This pillock said it and stands by it and it is you that choses to ignore the fact that the Orthodox church still practiced under cover and that the religious side of Russia never died. That is why when the church was allowed back the ails were full.........

So how does that equate atrocities carried out by the communist party controled government being the fault of the Russian Orthadox Church?
It's as daft as saying if Spain attacked Tunisia the blame would on the Roman Catholic church, how stupid can you get?!

As stupid as you to take any of that seriously The point was that you are taking all Muslims and tainting them with your shit. There is a war for oil and that is the shit you have been fed...It was no coincidence that the papers went religion mad on christianity just as the US and he UK went into Iraq. Made you froth at the mouth anyway........Chill out geezer

[oranos64]

You must know this man before passing any remarks otherwise you should not comment if you are not interested in knowing him. you are not welcome if you got no manners to discuss by respecting the topic.


Let's See What 12 Famous People Have Said About Muhammad (peace be upon him) Throughout the Centuries..

His complete biography has been authenticated and circulated amongst scholars around the world starting while he was still alive and continuing up until today. One of the first examples we quote from is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, as it confirms:

(Regarding Muhammad) "... a mass of detail in the early sources shows that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were likewise honest and upright men." [Vol. 12]

Another impressive tribute to Muhammad, peace be upon him is in the very well written work of Michael H. Hart, "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History." He states that the most influential person in all history was Muhammad, peace be upon him, with Jesus second. Examine his actual words:

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."
[Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, page. 33.]

According to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad was the most excellent example for all of humanity. Even non-Muslim historians recognize him to be one of the most successful personalities in history. Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:

"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
[Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]

And then we read what George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:

"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
[The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]

Then we found that K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."

What should we think about our prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when someone with the worldly status such as Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, peace be upon him, says in 'Young India':

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

English author Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed:

"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

And Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"
[D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12]


Muhammad, peace be upon him, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."
[S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169]


In the words of Professor Hurgronje:

"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."
Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":

"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
[History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54]


EWolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said:

"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
[Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]

what a load of bollocks

fudge mohamed

so me one moment in time when mohammeds teachings have led to peace for more than 3 minutes

islam is about violence ,christaintity may be no better at times but islam itself encourages violence,silencing of women ,restriction of human rights and enforcement of your wills on others ...and best of all restriction of human thougth and the mind ,,,no happy to live in a isolated world with 0 science ,,,,,

show me a ethnic group living in an islamic country that has been given freedom to practise ,,,,none ,,,,,just censure and beatings to christians,buddists,etc

no tolerance for any other ,,,totally the opposite to what modern christians do

also ,,,,let me ask ,,,,what has islam given the world in the last 400 years

science,medicine ,social /economics ,,,,prehaps ....poetry ,,,,hmmm maybe.... art ,,,no way ,,,,nothing ,,,,

err no so lets look fo other things ahhh here we are ,,,, wars ,wars ,murdering gangs ,,,,death squads ...mad mullahs ,,,conversions at the stake etc,,,conversions by firing squads ,,,,

like an old islamic saying goes

you reap what you so ,,,,

[rajput49]

again and again stereotypes replies are coming no one is willing to do some search and think about religion of islam and come up with something solid all fairy tales as far as i am concerned so far no member has come up with some questions all with allegations.as oranos asked for what islam has given to the world in last 400 years.
THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH
CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
THE MOON'S ORBIT
CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE
THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
THE PROTECTED ROOF
THE SKY MADE A DOME
THE RETURNING SKY
THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
THE SPLITTING EARTH
THE MIRACLE OF IRON
THE FORMATION OF PETROL
THE RELATIVITY OF TIME
CREATION IN SIX DAYS
THE TRUTH OF DESTINY
DUALITY IN CREATION
SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES
BLACK HOLES
PULSARS: PULSATING STARS
THE STAR SIRIUS
LIGHT AND DARK
COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE
THE WEIGHT OF CLOUDS
THE PROPORTION OF RAIN
THE FORMATION OF RAIN
RAINS WHICH BRING A DEAD LAND BACK TO LIFE
THE FORMATION OF HAIL, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
THE FECUNDATING WINDS
THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
CREATION FROM CLAY
THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
THE FORMATION OF MILK
MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
THE MIRACLE OF HONEY
THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
ANT COMMUNICATION
THE FOOD CYCLE
THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGHT
all these are there in quran from 1400 years that all scientists are just proving today islam gave the book that is beyond the limits of boundries of time.beauty of book is that it has guidence for people 1400 years ago and has 1400 after.no other book on earth can stand for test of time.quran says
bring ur proof if u r at truth
quran says
Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding. ( , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #164)
by the way what christianity has brought to this world from the time after jesus.no contribution at all
Leading Scientists Still Reject God as it has happened from centuries.not long ago people were executed by church for beleiving in science.quran hasw scientific facts

A recent survey showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.

Survey answers among "greater" scientists %
NAS
members 7%
21%
72%

belief in God agnostic atheists

Belief in personal God 1998
Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8

Belief in human immortality 1998
Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3

have a look at these videos among many of others where scientists and doctors after reading quran comes to islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IspK651RpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUZR6XwU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP-2IqH_ ... re=related
and last not least ur own """Steven Demetre Georgiou """or cat stevans as everyone knows him pride of cyprus who was very popular has sold over 60 million albums around the world since the late 1960s.at the height of his fame he reverted to islam.He has been given several awards for his work in promoting peace in the world, including the 2004 man of peace award and the 2007 Mediterranean Prize for Peace.
http://www.yusufislam.com/

[shahmaran]

Oh great

Spread the disease of ignorance even further until we all become religious morons and die from dullness and boredom.

Religion kills the colour of the people, it makes society monochrome.

I guess the only scientific reason i can think for its purpose would be the same as the "heard mentality", gather everyone together physically or mentally in order to increase your chances of survival, again it is all about genetic interest yet it can perpetuate into world wars. Unfortunately belief is an extremely powerful and dangerous side of humans, a double edged knife.

How very simple and predictable, humans have the capability to do SO MUCH better then this, but unfortunately most of them are so sad and blind they need to believe in the fictional almighty powers to actually feel special and worthy of something, it is just plain wrong, i feel sorry for you.

It is your personal views about religion but the truth is different because you think according to knowledge of what religion is all about. if you grew up in society which is not rightly Guided and religious leaders mislead you. it is not your fault to conclude by simply rejecting and become an atheist.

wish you know Islam and understand why Islam is different than other religion. why Muslims are more practicing Islam than follower of other religion.

Islam provide convincing answers to those who wants to know the purpose his/her creation? one must submit his/her will to the will of Creator to fulfill the purpose of creation.

Yeah i can see why all this would fly over your head, but unfortunately I'm not so simple my friend, not simple enough to devote myself to a blind faith, after all belief is indeed blindly accepting, but nor am i an atheist, in fact more agnostic then anything.

Humans have had faith towards all sorts of gods over their short history of existence, we only keep changing our minds about it, what makes yours so special? Why would i devote myself to the ideas of another man? Unless of course these so called "holy books" really do come down from the sky...

Your problem is not that you believe in a magical fairy tale called creation, but the fact that you are ignorantly happy. Most scientific knowledge suggests that it is more about evolution, what have you got to say about that?

However I do not expect you to even think about any of this, hence why you are blind, and this is what makes people like you so dangerous, because you leave no room for doubt. You are ABSOLUTELY sure that this is the way it is and that there is no other way. Well guess what, if you are ABSOLUTELY sure about ghosts and fairies, then you are likely to encounter them too

If you and your likes don't bring us to the verge of extinction, hopefully you will all become obsolete through time, insallah.