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[Tim Drayton]

Saudi Arabian citizen Homaidan Ali Al-Turki was convicted by an American court of raping his housemaid in the USA.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/l ... 59,00.html

The main plank of his defence was that:

"The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution," he said.

In other words, raping your housemaid, according to Mr Al-Turki, is "basic Muslim behaviour".

Does this mean that housemaids are classified as "right-hand possessions" so that non-consensual sexual activity with them is canonically lawful according to verse 23:6 of the Quran? That is the only interpretation of this man's comments that is consistent within Sharia law as far as I can see. It is a simple question. Why do you refuse to answer?

Are housemaids "right-hand possessions"?

[rajput49]

mr tim thanks for ur interest in asking questions about misconceptions about islam.in islam if there is any law of land that is not contradictory to the laws of religion or shariaa, can be followed as u gave an example of women getting 150 lashes we dont know what charges she had against her apart from adultry if the law of uae asks for 50 lashes for some other offence we have to check whole background and law of united arab emirates or anyother state.now we have situation where right hand possessions are discussed first go to previous postys where this point is explained and even though there is concept of right hand possessions it was for the time of war and for war only.and it was normal practice of the people of time islam is the one that encouraged people to free their slaves and emphasis was made on their treatment.in pure islamic state that was present after prophet returned to mecca victorious from medina there is no such things.slavery in those times was common like we have a """"moderen day slavery"""our jobs there are laws for job conditions and job environmnet but how many times we face a situation where people are misused.same is the case with slavery concept laws were there to abide by as anyother law.u msut understand the fact that their is no pure islamic state in place in the world right now even saudi arabia doesnt have complete sharia compliant laws thats why these type of issues arises.u must find sources to understand what actualy sharia laws mean once there is a islamic state these cases will be difficult to hide.right now we have muslim countries as muslims are in majority in these countries

[QAMERSLAND]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

If there is Muslim whos mother or daughter is raped, He should let the court to punish the culprit, if the court let the culprit to go free, he should be patient. and he should look after the rape victim and not let it to expose to the world to protect her.
No one has right to go and kill innocent people because some has done injustice to him/her. if you catch the culprit alone, you can punish him.
if you disagree with me, present your prove where Islam says what you have said
i hope you got answer of the question
God knows the best

It is common knowledge that that it is not uncommon in muslim countries; especialy Pakistan that rape victims are murdered by their own familys under the term 'Honour Killing'.
Several such killings have taken place in England recently, the difference being that in Pakistan they get away with it in the UK at least the murderers are jailed.
The parctice on young females of genital mutilation which is common in most muslim countries is also becoming evident in the UK although it is highly illegal.
This is all carried out in the name of islam.
I have yet to see any senior muslim cleric come foreward and condem in public these barbaric practises.
So please don't come foreward with the usual claptrap by saying that it is all western propaganda; it is true these things do happen just as shooting women for getting an education took place in afghanistan; all of it in the name of islam.
Nobody says that the west is perfect; the biggest flaw in your argument is blaming christianity for all the west's wrongdoings including one of you pillocks claimng that Russia (when it was the Soviet Union) was a christian country when in actual fact it is was muticultural.
Not since Medieval times has war been instigated in the name of the Christian faith. [/b]

If the honor killing takes place in country like Paksitan does not mean that Islam teaches do it. it may be because of their ignorance to Islam and for your information, the Sharia Law is not implemented in Pakistan since its creation. there are very few cases and western media portray like all pakistanis are involved in it.

i have made it clear that to kill rape victim on any name is not allowed in Islam.

i think you do not have access to those Islamic scholars who have condemned it.

God knows the best !

[QAMERSLAND]

Dear Qamersland,

Why do you constantly turn a deaf ear when I call for enlightenment on your faith?

Here is a simple question. Can I have an answer please? Verse 24:2 of the Quran reads:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

I would thern refer your attention to the following article from the March 14 edition of the Gulf Times:

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/uae/uaenews001.htm

in which we learn that the Dubai Shari'a court sentenced a pregnant Asian housemaid to 150 lashes and deportation for adultery.

What confuses me is that Muslims believe the Quran to be the literal word of God as made known to the prophet Muhammad and mankind must obey it to the letter. If it is God's instruction to mankind that those guilty of adultery receive 100 lashes, how can a Sharia court in the United Arab Emirates impose a higher sentence? Does this not amount to the court presuming that it has more authority than God. Also where does deportation fit in? How is this canonically sanctioned. Of course it is very convenient because it gets rid of yet another bastard, half-Arab child produced as a result of the serial rape of a housemaid by her employer and his sons.

I always answer whenever i read the post.

i think rajput39 has answered and you are welcome to ask more.
i advise to you to know Islam by its teaching not by Muslims.

No Court is above the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH

[CopperLine]

I advise to you to know Islam by its teaching not by Muslim

Try replacing the words Islam and Muslim with any set of beliefs and believers, and what do you get ? Any and every religions and ideology saying don't judge assess us on our real actions and deeds but on our words and wishful thinking.

So no, let's judge a religion on the actions and behaviours of its adherents.

No court is above the Quran

!!!! Holy moly !!! The whole point of the modern state is that the secular law is above religion and religious law, private individuals and private action. In this sentence you simply advocate a return to a feudal order. It would be a world disaster if religious law, including sharia, including the teachings of the Koran, were place above secular courts.

[Southerner]

No Court is above the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH

Yet in another place you wrote that the koran says first obey the law of the land when in a foriegn land, you seem to contradict yourself quite frequently.

[Southerner]

[quote="CopperLine]. It would be a world disaster if religious law, including sharia, including the teachings of the Koran, were place above secular courts.[/quote]
That is what happened in Pakistan recently when a civil court found a British subject not guilty of murder the islamic court had him retried and sentenced to death.

[Southerner]

[If the honor killing takes place in country like Paksitan does not mean that Islam teaches do it. it may be because of their ignorance to Islam and for your information, the Sharia Law is not implemented in Pakistan since its creation. there are very few cases and western media portray like all pakistanis are involved in it.
i have made it clear that to kill rape victim on any name is not allowed in Islam.
i think you do not have access to those Islamic scholars who have condemned it.
God knows the best !

The muslim clerics are very conspicuous by their silence when these things happen, just as the Bali bombings were encouraged by a muslin cleric, surely you should be out there preaching to these false prophets and leaving us alone because whilst you like the rest of your kind keep dismissing their actions as none muslim you do your religion no favours as their conduct only turns people away from islam.

[QAMERSLAND]

No Court is above the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH

Yet in another place you wrote that the koran says first obey the law of the land when in a foriegn land, you seem to contradict yourself quite frequently.

it is not contradictory if you understand. Quran is above all laws in Islamic Country and if some one is in foreign country, he/she has to follow that particular country laws and Islam also tells us that if the laws of that particular country is against Islam, he/she should migrate from there. unless that particular country has special court for muslims as in India. then the Quran will be law and constitution for muslims.

[Moonlight]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

If there is Muslim whos mother or daughter is raped, He should let the court to punish the culprit, if the court let the culprit to go free, he should be patient. and he should look after the rape victim and not let it to expose to the world to protect her.
No one has right to go and kill innocent people because some has done injustice to him/her. if you catch the culprit alone, you can punish him.
if you disagree with me, present your prove where Islam says what you have said
i hope you got answer of the question
God knows the best

It is common knowledge that that it is not uncommon in muslim countries; especialy Pakistan that rape victims are murdered by their own familys under the term 'Honour Killing'.
Several such killings have taken place in England recently, the difference being that in Pakistan they get away with it in the UK at least the murderers are jailed.
The parctice on young females of genital mutilation which is common in most muslim countries is also becoming evident in the UK although it is highly illegal.
This is all carried out in the name of islam.
I have yet to see any senior muslim cleric come foreward and condem in public these barbaric practises.
So please don't come foreward with the usual claptrap by saying that it is all western propaganda; it is true these things do happen just as shooting women for getting an education took place in afghanistan; all of it in the name of islam.
Nobody says that the west is perfect; the biggest flaw in your argument is blaming christianity for all the west's wrongdoings including one of you pillocks claimng that Russia (when it was the Soviet Union) was a christian country when in actual fact it is was muticultural.
Not since Medieval times has war been instigated in the name of the Christian faith. [/b]

I am sad to say that some Muslims are not following the teachings of the holy Quran and prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) .That means they are not true Muslims. But that it doesn’t mean that whole Muslims are the same or Islam is not the right or true religion. To understand Islam u have to read and search not just by looking the other people’s acts.
If some Muslims kill their daughters because they got an education that’s not right.
Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said that seeking knowledge is compulsory in every man and woman. Media looking for an opportunity to make Islam looking wrong in the eyes of the people.