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[Southerner]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

[Southerner]

For sake of argument, even if there are few muslims who are involved in boombing, you can not blaim Islam for it. same as if Hitler killed 6 millions jews, i will naver blaim christianity for that because i know christianity also dont teaches to kill innocent same as Islam dont teaches to kill innocent people.

Quamersland, youv'e taken a great step towards salvation.
You are the first Muslim on this forum to acknowledge the Holocaust.
I don't know if it was intentional or not and I certainly hope that your fellow Muslims don't issue a fatwah against you for writing; but well done there's hope for you yet.

[rajput49]

we all accept that what is a proven fact.as holocaust is proven by history we accept this fact.and qamersland has explained well the fact that personalities doesnt matter ideology matters.hitler killed so many innocent jews we have to think ideology of what his belief was to kill so many people his aim was to run the terror or extension of boundries.same is the case with islam if some individuals have done an act that is not supported by islam and their aim was to achieve their own goals regardless of if they say , they are doing this for sake of GOD how u can blame islam for that?hope point is being clarified

[QAMERSLAND]

For sake of argument, even if there are few muslims who are involved in boombing, you can not blaim Islam for it. same as if Hitler killed 6 millions jews, i will naver blaim christianity for that because i know christianity also dont teaches to kill innocent same as Islam dont teaches to kill innocent people.

Quamersland, youv'e taken a great step towards salvation.
You are the first Muslim on this forum to acknowledge the Holocaust.
I don't know if it was intentional or not and I certainly hope that your fellow Muslims don't issue a fatwah against you for writing; but well done there's hope for you yet.

This is what Islam teaches us. It is not my opinion but Authentic Islamic teaching and this is what i have been trying to convey the message that Islam does not allow the killing of innocent people whether they are Muslims or non Muslims unless it is for murder or spreading the mischief on the land

i am happy that you got my point and you should take it as true Islamic teachings and it is not just my personal opinion but many world famous Islamic scholars like Dr Zakir Naik(India), Yousuf Estes(USA), Abdulrahim Green(UK) , Dr Jamal Badwi(Canada) and Shaikh Ahmed Deedat(South Africa) etc

God knows the best

[QAMERSLAND]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

If there is Muslim whos mother or daughter is raped, He should let the court to punish the culprit, if the court let the culprit to go free, he should be patient. and he should look after the rape victim and not let it to expose to the world to protect her.

No one has right to go and kill innocent people because some has done injustice to him/her. if you catch the culprit alone, you can punish him.

if you disagree with me, present your prove where Islam says what you have said

i hope you got answer of the question

God knows the best

[Southerner]

I will tell you a symbol question(friently always) : If someone rape or kill your mother or someone very close to you what punishment do you think he will deserved? Think with open mind and answer me.

If I were a muslim and someone raped my mother or daughter I would kill my mother or daughter to satisfy my warped honour and then offer my appologies to the rapist.

As a civilised person I would give as much support and comfort to the victims whilst insiting that the Law of the land (and not some half baked tinpot paedophiles ramblings) was enforced.

If there is Muslim whos mother or daughter is raped, He should let the court to punish the culprit, if the court let the culprit to go free, he should be patient. and he should look after the rape victim and not let it to expose to the world to protect her.
No one has right to go and kill innocent people because some has done injustice to him/her. if you catch the culprit alone, you can punish him.
if you disagree with me, present your prove where Islam says what you have said
i hope you got answer of the question
God knows the best

It is common knowledge that that it is not uncommon in muslim countries; especialy Pakistan that rape victims are murdered by their own familys under the term 'Honour Killing'.
Several such killings have taken place in England recently, the difference being that in Pakistan they get away with it in the UK at least the murderers are jailed.
The parctice on young females of genital mutilation which is common in most muslim countries is also becoming evident in the UK although it is highly illegal.
This is all carried out in the name of islam.
I have yet to see any senior muslim cleric come foreward and condem in public these barbaric practises.
So please don't come foreward with the usual claptrap by saying that it is all western propaganda; it is true these things do happen just as shooting women for getting an education took place in afghanistan; all of it in the name of islam.
Nobody says that the west is perfect; the biggest flaw in your argument is blaming christianity for all the west's wrongdoings including one of you pillocks claimng that Russia (when it was the Soviet Union) was a christian country when in actual fact it is was muticultural.
Not since Medieval times has war been instigated in the name of the Christian faith. [/b]

[boomerang]

Just to throw a spanner in the works...


and let us no forget our own about wacko

[Tim Drayton]

Dear Qamersland,

Why do you constantly turn a deaf ear when I call for enlightenment on your faith?

Here is a simple question. Can I have an answer please? Verse 24:2 of the Quran reads:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

I would thern refer your attention to the following article from the March 14 edition of the Gulf Times:

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/uae/uaenews001.htm

in which we learn that the Dubai Shari'a court sentenced a pregnant Asian housemaid to 150 lashes and deportation for adultery.

What confuses me is that Muslims believe the Quran to be the literal word of God as made known to the prophet Muhammad and mankind must obey it to the letter. If it is God's instruction to mankind that those guilty of adultery receive 100 lashes, how can a Sharia court in the United Arab Emirates impose a higher sentence? Does this not amount to the court presuming that it has more authority than God. Also where does deportation fit in? How is this canonically sanctioned. Of course it is very convenient because it gets rid of yet another bastard, half-Arab child produced as a result of the serial rape of a housemaid by her employer and his sons.

[Tim Drayton]

Qamersland, why do you consistently refuse to give me the information I request about Islam? Perhaps my posts are too long. OK, let's try asking one question per post.

As in my previous post, I make reference to verse 24:2 of the Quran:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.

In other words, God has ordained that men and women receive an EQUAL punishment for committing adultery.

Now, let us look at the following heard before a Sharia court in the United Arab Emirates:

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwins ... c/uae.html

In June a Shari'a court sentenced the Indian imam of a mosque in the Emirate of Ras Al-Khaimah to a month in prison, 90 lashes, and then deportation because he spent time alone with a woman. The imam originally was charged with adultery because he was found at the home of one of his friends alone with a foreign national housemaid; however, the charges were changed to "cohabitation" because the prosecution could not prove the crime of adultery. The imam had not confessed and there were no witnesses. The housemaid was sentenced to 150 lashes in 3 sessions and deportation, and the owner of the house was sentenced to 90 lashes and deportation.

Why, if it is God's word as passed down in the Quran that men and women receive an equal punishment for adultery, in this case the man received 90 lashes and the woman received 150 lashes?

[Tim Drayton]

Qamersland,

Here is another query about Islam on which I would greatly welcome your guidance. Where does Islam stand on contraception?

Well, I have managed to find the following at an Islamic website:

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... 9503544224

"Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid, a prominent Saudi Islamic lecturer and author, adds:
"The answer to question of contraception is found in the following three points:
1. Giving birth is the right of both husband and wife, and neither one of them has the right to deprive the other from doing so.
2. It is prohibited to take any measure, which would permanently prevent pregnancy, or cause infertility. It is permissible, however, to use temporary birth control methods to delay pregnancy, as in the case of delaying pregnancy for the two years of breastfeeding the first child.
3. It is prohibited to use any birth control method which would harm the body, as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: 'Do not (impose) harm, nor (inflect) harm.'" [Quoted, with slight modification, from: Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)]"

Now what puzzles me is here a respected Saudi Arabian Islamic scholar is saying that "it is prohibited to use any birth control method which would harm the body." Why does this puzzle me? Let us consider the fact, as reported in the Sri Lankan Sunday Times newpspaper, that

http://sundaytimes.lk/071118/Plus/plus00012.html

"Potential housemaids have told Human Rights Watch (HRW), the New York-based human rights group, that job agents force them to take long-term contraception to prevent pregnancy during employment."

It appears that as a matter of routine all Sri Lankan housemaids recruited to work in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states are injected with the long-term contraceptive medroxyprogesterone by the agencies that recruit them before they depart from their own country.

Now in light of Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid's opinion which I quoted above, we must consider whether medroxyprogesterone has any harmful effects on the body. Look at the following quotes:

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/depo-provera-c ... table.html

Medroxyprogesterone side effects
If you experience any of the following uncommon but serious side effects, seek emergency medical attention or notify your doctor immediately:
• an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives);
• a blood clot in the lung (shortness of breath, pain in the chest, or coughing up blood);
• a blood clot in an arm or leg (pain, redness, swelling, or numbness of an arm or leg);
• severe headache or vomiting, dizziness or fainting, problems with eyesight or speech, weakness, or numbness in an arm or leg (indicating a possible stroke);
• high blood pressure (severe headache, flushing, blurred vision);
• liver damage (yellowing of the skin or eyes, nausea, abdominal pain or discomfort, unusual bleeding or bruising, severe fatigue);
• unusually heavy menstrual bleeding; or
• persistent pain, pus, or bleeding at the injection site.
Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Talk to your doctor if you experience
• irregular, increased, or decreased menstrual bleeding;
• no menstrual bleeding at all;
• pain, swelling, or bruising at the injection site;
• headache or dizziness;
• nervousness;
• nausea;
• breast tenderness;
• changes in weight or appetite;
• oily skin or acne; or
• changes in hair growth.


http://health.yahoo.com/birthcontrol-me ... 284t1.html

Women who use medroxyprogesterone may lose significant bone mineral density. Bone loss is greater the longer the drug is used and may not be completely reversible. It is unknown if the use of medroxyprogesterone in adolescents or young adults will reduce bone mass and increase the risk for osteoporotic fracture in later life. Women should only use medroxyprogesterone as a long-term birth control method (longer than two years) if other birth control methods are inadequate.

So, it would appear that the practice of administering injections of medroxyprogesterone to housedmaids before they travel to take up employment in the Arabian Gulf is unacceptable in Islam as interpreted by Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid. Surely the authorities in Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid's own country are aware that housemaids coming to work in his country are being forcibly subjected to this un-Islamic procedure, and specifically so that they may come and work in tis most Islamic of nations, so I am puzzled as to why none of his fellow countrymen or women are objecting. What do you say, Qamersland?