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[zan]

Still going on your bigoted way hey Southerner???

The difference is that I can think for myself, enjoy freedom of speech and action and so does my Wife without some sexist muslim pig coming up to her in the street and threatening her for not dressing properly.
If that makes me a bigot so be it.

Not only a bigot but ignorant too I am afraid mate....Some countries do that and some don't. have you ever tried that freedom thing in the Vatican?????
You have the choice mate and you seem not to want to use it...I am not religious one little bit so I choose to leave this guy to his own divises...Ever thought of doing the same instead of acting like the knights of the Crusades....?

I believe in evolution,
I also accept that Holocaust happened.
Ignorant I don't think so I just class this dick head the same as a jehovahs witness knocking on my door trying to ram their narrow minded views down my throat.
Blowing up ancient religious artifacts is not the act of a civilised religion.
The Gulf war was not carried out in the name of christanity/religion.
The 911 atrocity was carried out in the name of the islamic religion.
It is not western proaganda about executing women for receiving an education.
Things have changed in the Christian faith since the Crusades, Islam is still back there.
Religion has no place in the law of the land

I also believe in Evolution and those Jehovah's get a polite no thank you and are sent on their way. Why get so angry about it.......

You are totally wrong about the other facts on why the Gulf war happened and it was not about any religion but of oil. 911 was about that too and who will control it. Just like any other war the side relevant to the faith uses a peaceful religion to blackmail to further its cause and that goes for both sides. One to justify killing the other.

[rajput49]

GOD knows us GOD never put laws that are harmful for human beings.what proof there is that 9/11 was done by muslims.these are all theories like theories of ""weapons of mass destruction"""there are lots of other theories that can be put forward that can make a point that it was an inside job.may b u can do some research to get some knowledge that there is difference between theory and proven fact.and as for as u say christainty has changed from b4 and islam is same we r poud of fact that we have our religion in purest of forms its same religion that was given to us by ALLMIGHTY and we havent tried to change it to to get worldly benefit out of this or just to eat pork.what a shame that people have sold word of ALLMIGHTY.christianity as admitted by u have changed from original message of jesus jesus was monotheist and christians have made him one memeber of polytheism family.by the way as a true christian believer can u find for me verse where word """"""'TRINITY""is present.no no dont bother to check or google or anything i will tell u there is no word in bible like trinity.by the way word of GOD can have different versions as well like king james version i thought GODS WORD should be free from versions why to """""revise the word of a GOD"""LIKE REVISED STANDARD VERSION.where is ""bible of barnabas or ""varnavas"the apostle who brought christianity to cyprus.u wouldnt find answer because church doesnt felt it is worth to be included in the canon u should read that bible to find what ayios barnabas says about religion.few of the questions regarding the religion not regarding christians like members comment on muslims and no comment on islam.

[Stout]

Religion has no place in the law of the land

Surely every nation on the face of the earth bases it's LAW on it's religious convictions, the tenets of whatever belief the nation has are the foundation upon which the nation stands.
Whether or not they manage to instill those principles in the behaviour of their subjects is another matter, lawlessness occurs everywhere, even in the high offices of those who dictate to others, or so I believe.

Considering the above comments, is that not the reason for all the conflicts taking place in the world today?, those nations which have based their ideoligies on what they have termed Democracy, trying to impose their will on those that have not.

[Southerner]

I believe in evolution,
I also accept that Holocaust happened.
Ignorant I don't think so I just class this dick head the same as a jehovahs witness knocking on my door trying to ram their narrow minded views down my throat.
Blowing up ancient religious artifacts is not the act of a civilised religion.
The Gulf war was not carried out in the name of christanity/religion.
The 911 atrocity was carried out in the name of the islamic religion.
It is not western proaganda about executing women for receiving an education.
Things have changed in the Christian faith since the Crusades, Islam is still back there.
Religion has no place in the law of the land

You are totally wrong about the other facts on why the Gulf war happened and it was not about any religion but of oil. 911 was about that too and who will control it. Just like any other war the side relevant to the faith uses a peaceful religion to blackmail to further its cause and that goes for both sides. One to justify killing the other.

Where did I say that the gulf war was about religion? I said quite the opposite we all know that it was about oil.
911 was nothing to do about oil it was a meglomaniac called Osama Bin Liner.
Religion has no part in the law of the land, religion is a thing of personal choice.
The sooner that we find alternative scources of energy/fuel the better off we all will be; well maybe not all, the arabs whill have to start growing dates again.

Religion has no place in the law of the land

[zan]

I believe in evolution,
I also accept that Holocaust happened.
Ignorant I don't think so I just class this dick head the same as a jehovahs witness knocking on my door trying to ram their narrow minded views down my throat.
Blowing up ancient religious artifacts is not the act of a civilised religion.
The Gulf war was not carried out in the name of christanity/religion.
The 911 atrocity was carried out in the name of the islamic religion.
It is not western proaganda about executing women for receiving an education.
Things have changed in the Christian faith since the Crusades, Islam is still back there.
Religion has no place in the law of the land

You are totally wrong about the other facts on why the Gulf war happened and it was not about any religion but of oil. 911 was about that too and who will control it. Just like any other war the side relevant to the faith uses a peaceful religion to blackmail to further its cause and that goes for both sides. One to justify killing the other.

Where did I say that the gulf war was about religion? I said quite the opposite we all know that it was about oil.
911 was nothing to do about oil it was a meglomaniac called Osama Bin Liner.
Religion has no part in the law of the land, religion is a thing of personal choice.
The sooner that we find alternative scources of energy/fuel the better off we all will be; well maybe not all, the arabs whill have to start growing dates again.

Religion has no place in the law of the land

I am sorry mate but it is up there in your post...
You said: The 911 atrocity was carried out in the name of the islamic religion.

I agree that the religion was used to fool these idiots into carrying out the attacks but it is not about religion but about western interference in the middle east with their oil.


But that is the battle cry of all wars isn't it. For God King and country....?

[Bucksboy]

:lol:

You keep sweeping all Islamic countries with your bigoted ignorance, yet here i am telling you that the biggest Islamic empire in the world was very much into music, i told you Sufism was very much music oriented, what more do you want me to say?! You want to compare Mozart with one of the most amazing philosophies in the world and the music that is behind it, fine, but i personally think that is the most stupid thing i have heard here in a long time, because you seem to want to give credit to Christianity for the doings of people, yet i fail to make any connections between the two. I live in an Islamic country yet i do not see any trace of such claims you are making. What have you got to say about that?

EXACTLY SO! YOU SPEAK OF ISLAM IN THE PAST TENSE WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I REFER TO. YOU REALLY MUST LEARN TO READ REPLIES CORRECTLY AND DON'T LET YOUR BIGOTED ANTI WESTEN VIEWS CLOUD YOUR JUDGEMENT.
YOU LIVE IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY....WELL GIVE ME EXAMPLES (AS I REQUESTED BEFORE) OF MODERN ISLAMIC ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE ARTS & TECHNOLOGY THAT HAVE BENEFITTED MANKIND?

[CopperLine]

Rajput49,

islam is same we r poud of fact that we have our religion in purest of forms its same religion that was given to us by ALLMIGHTY and we havent tried to change it

A bit disinegnuous. Islam is composed of The Koran (literally the 'reading'), hadith (traditions) and shari'a (law), the latter two derived from the first. Since the prophet Mohammed was illiterate he had to use scribes to transcribe the words of the divine revelation which he received from god/allah. Insofar as the Koranic verses are in no particular order - bit odd given they purport to be the final word of god - and that they ahve been constantly subject to interpretation through tradition and judgement (hadith and shari'a) it is quite misleading and self-deluding to say that Muslims 'haven't tried to change it'. If the claim that Islam was pure and unchanging how, Rajput49, do you account for the sometimesprofound differences between Shia and Sunna, Sufism, Alevis, wahabbis, between Indonesian Islam and Dutch Islam, between a mosue which will enagage in ecumenical dialogue with Rome and Jerusalem and other mosques that would like to bomb Rome and Jerusalem ?

There are, as in Christianity as in Judaism, many different interpretations and traditions which result in many different Islams all substantially different in practice from that of Mohammed's lifetime or immediate legacy. The question that really has to be asked is : in whose interests is it to pretend that Islam is one, pure and unchanging ?

[Stout]

Although others may lay claim to the title, I believe it to be generally accepted that the region of the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers was what is known as 'The Cradle Of Civilization'. that region is now known as IRAQ.
Whatever advancements have been made by mankind, logically, they must have begun in that region.
Whatever laws were or are made since that early time, must be attributed to whatever religion the society which developed from that time adopted.
Without following the tenets of some religion or belief, there can be no law.
Therefore it is wrong to condemn any other nation for it's beliefs since they are all from the same source, it is perfectly obvious to most of us which nations are the ones to be viewed with a great deal of perplexity, I cannot imagine a nation establishing itself lawlessly, the very laws we all live by and are subject to are the direct result of religious tenets.

[CopperLine]

A set of laws may come from non-religious sources or principles. The fact that preceding laws had religious origins or basis does not require a conclusion that current law are (a) derivative of religous law, nor (b) that they are based in some religious principle. For example, surely you are not claiming that, for example, VAT or other tax law is based on some religious principle ? Or divorce law - divorce a matter which was deliberately taken out of religious courts and placed within the jurisdiction of civil courts (in most countries) in order precisely to remove the religious basis of marriage and halt the religious regulation of the family (and arguably of sexuality).

[zan]

I think religion is always lagging behind the real world. Just as when the Bible was commissioned and the Christian world did not have a definitive example by which to live, it took all the laws and the customs and traditions from all it's four corners and put them into one book.