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[Cheshire Cat]

The sad thing is that this person has achieved what he set out to do and has got everyone at each others throat.
Perhaps that was his intention from the start. I could go on of course, but, I will not.

Well done Qamersland , it looks like you have achieved your goal.

You people can adopt Islam if you wish, count me out.

[Tim Drayton]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

she was punished to go against the law and because she went against the law, she was raped.

the punishment was to warn other women to follow the law. same as you punish to a murderer to be the lesson for others to stop doing it otherwise all will start to kill each other.

and once gain i saw all famous news channels were try hard day and night to show this news to malign Islam.

every country has right to make law according to their need and desire.

who are you to criticize the law of Saudi Arabia?

did they come to tell you to ask why do you reticules (man made) laws in your countries?

Even worse, I hear from good sources that the prisons in Saudi Arabia are full of women from South Asian countries like the Phillipines and Indonesia who were working as maids and were raped by their employers, made pregnant and then, since they are unmarried, imprisoned for committing adultery. Of course, the rapists go unpunished. Sharia law - no thanks!

there is death penalty for rapist in Islam. and my advise is to you is not to believe whatever you hear. check the news before passing on to others

Correct, so why is this penalty not applied in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to their own nationals for instances of murder and rape when the victim is from South Asia?

I lived in Qatar for two years and I know from personal experience that there exists a system of racism in that part of the world that makes the system of Apartheid that was once practiced in South Africa look like political correctness.

There are plenty of reliable reports on the Internet describing the conditions endured by foreign domestic workers in Saudi Arabia. Here is one such report:

http://www.cdhr.info/Articles/Trafficki ... GulfStates

It is common knowledge in Qatar that housemaids from countries like India/Sri Lanka/Indonesia/the Phillipines frequently endure serial rape over the course of their employment, especially by their employers' adolescent sons. Of course there are good people and good employers there as well. But, it is very prevalent. The dirt-poor country of Nepal, which sends many workers to the Gulf and whose economy relies on the money they send back to their families, nevertheless refuses to let its women travel to the Gulf because of the fate that would await them. I say that this is very much to Nepal's credit.

So, if Sharia law punishes rape by death, why do rapists go unpunished in Arabia and, instead, their victims suffer punishment? Either Sharia law stinks, or the Gulf countries are not applying it properly. If the latter is true, then surely people like you should, rather than trying to push Islam down Westerners' throats, devote their efforts to making the inhabitants of the Arabian desert, who claim to be such pious Muslims, live according to the rules to which they claim to subscribe.

Here are a few more little nuggets from the Gulf.

I heard from somebody who worked for the ambulance service in Doha, Qatar, that one day they were summoned to a certain roundabout to collect some workers who had been injured on a building site. They were puzzled because there were no building sites in that vicinity. They nevertheless proceeded to this location and could see no injured pople. Suddenly, a lorry turned up. There were piles of injured people stacked up on the back of the lorry like carcasses. The lorry stopped, the drivers (Gulf Arabs of course) then proceeded to toss the people piled up on the back down onto the ground as if they were sacks of potatoes and drive off at speed. The injured people were Pakistanis and apparently some of them had serious injuries. Yet, the drivers of the lorry saw fit to throw them onto the ground as though they were inanimate objects. This is how they treat their fellow Muslims! Apparently, the contractor responsible for the building site did not want the authorities to know where the accident had occured and was happy to resort to such a subterfuge to keep its location secret.

Another time, the same person was sent to collect a corpse from a labour camp housing South Asians. Just to put you in the picture - and I know, because I have visited such places - South Asians are housed in camps consisting of prefabricated huts each of which is divided into two rooms and filled with four bunk beds so as to accomodate eight people. Nomally there is air conditioning, but apparently the camp in question did not even have this facility. When the crew turned up to collect the corpse, it emerged that it had been left for many days in a bunk bed in a room shared by eight workers without even air conditioning, and this in the summer in Qatar when the temperature exceeds 50 degrees. In other words, the employer could see nothing wrong with making them live for days at close quarters with a moulding corpse in the scorching summer heat of the Arabian desert.

I have heard from people who have lived in Kuwait that here young people run down and kill South Asians who are crossing the road as a kind of passtime. I myself was once crossing the road at one of the major intersections in Doha, Qatar on a pedestrian crossing with the green man showing. I was suddenly pulled back by an Indian national who was walking behind me. I turned and saw that a young Qatari national was driving towards me at full speed in his Toyata land cruiser. Perhaps Qataris were beginning to discover this "sport". The evil, perverted grin across that young man's face is etched into my memory.

I also worked in Libya, and once got into a conversation with a Palestinian colleage there about my experiences in the Gulf. He told me - and he is a pious Muslim who prays five times a day, by the way - that in Kuwait young women who are nationals of that state entice young non-Gulf Arabs such as Palestinians and Syrians to ride out into the desert where they have sex, and then the women immediately kills this man so that he can never speak about this incident. This they are able to do with impunity

Of course, Sharia law in theory has punishments for all of these transgressions. However, practice has obviously become seriously decoupled from theory.

Why will those same people who are happy to burn flags and destroy embassies when a few cartoons appear in an obscure Danish newspaper not raise their voices to condemn the serious transgressions of basic human rights that take place on a dialy basis in the Arabian Peninsula, a place that is supposed to be so holy?

[Stout]

Bring back Maggie , eh Stout

A man like Oliver Cromwell would be my choice actually, providing he was a Roman Catholic.

[Tim Drayton]

Go to one of the most big muslim countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, malaysia and see that non muslims are free to live and perform their religious duties freely.

dont just listen those who pick black sheeps and portray them like all muslims are like them

Quran says that to protect the churches and temple more than mosques, and you should know that Quran is the root of islam not what muslim do individually

Muslims have been victimized in the western countries just because they are practicing muslim. some of them even shooted by police and found innocent

you know just one side of the story and continue to believe that it is the only truth blindly

Sure, nobody can claim that Muslims have never suffered discrimination in Western countrys. But non-Muslims also suffer discrimination in Muslim countries, including the ones you mention.

Under Sharia law, the word of a Muslim counts for double that of a non-Muslim. If I am in a country in which Sharia law applies and a Muslim assaults me and then later denies it, then according to the law this assault did not happen because his word takes precedence over mine. How is this not discrimination, and institutionalised discrimination at that?

[zan]

http://www.google.com/search?client=saf ... 8&oe=UTF-8

Interesting reading of justice within the church The numbers are what shocks the most....200 children by one priest, 35 by another. The Church cover ups........

I am like Stout as I have said before....If religion disappeared tomorrow I could not give a damn but let us get some perspective on this whole thing shall we. The thought of any leader speaking to someone that isn't there and then attacking another country on that , voices in the head, advise scares the hell out of me, let alone when it is in the west and a person that I used to admire as in Blair. I knew Bush was a nut from the start but Blair...........

[bigdog]

Bring back Maggie , eh Stout

A man like Oliver Cromwell would be my choice actually, providing he was a Roman Catholic.

Think you might have more chance of that with Maggie

[Tim Drayton]

Dear Qamersland,

Just to show that an earlier claim I made was not pure hearsay, I can back this up from a report by the respected organisation known as Human Rights Watch, entitled:

Exported and Exposed
Abuses against Sri Lankan Domestic Workers in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, and the United Arab Emirates

http://hrw.org/reports/2007/srilanka1107/

The quote reads:

Since adultery or fornication is criminalized in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, and the UAE, rape victims may face the prospect of detention, prosecution, and punishment if they cannot provide evidence of the rape. Amanthi K. told us Saudi authorities arrested her at the hospital after she gave birth to a child resulting from rape by her employer. She said, “The case was given to the courts and they said…, ‘You have come here to work and you have committed a crime.’ I said that the boss has committed a crime and not me.”221 Unable to meet the standard of evidence required, she was imprisoned for nine months. Because crimes of sexual violence often take place in private settings, the only evidence before courts often consists of the differing accounts given by a male national employer and a foreign woman employee, with the former generally given the benefit of the doubt.

I strongly recommend that you take a look at this report. Are you seriously trying to tell me that the kind of incidents described do not form part of daily life in the Arabian Peninsula? Why will you not condemn it as un-Islamic and a crime under Sharia law? Until you do so, what moral authority do you have to preach at us and promote life under Sharia law?

[Southerner]

Still going on your bigoted way hey Southerner???

The difference is that I can think for myself, enjoy freedom of speech and action and so does my Wife without some sexist muslim pig coming up to her in the street and threatening her for not dressing properly.
If that makes me a bigot so be it.

Not only a bigot but ignorant too I am afraid mate....Some countries do that and some don't. have you ever tried that freedom thing in the Vatican?????
You have the choice mate and you seem not to want to use it...I am not religious one little bit so I choose to leave this guy to his own divises...Ever thought of doing the same instead of acting like the knights of the Crusades....?

I believe in evolution,
I also accept that Holocaust happened.
Ignorant I don't think so I just class this dick head the same as a jehovahs witness knocking on my door trying to ram their narrow minded views down my throat.
Blowing up ancient religious artifacts is not the act of a civilised religion.
The Gulf war was not carried out in the name of christanity/religion.
The 911 atrocity was carried out in the name of the islamic religion.
It is not western proaganda about executing women for receiving an education.
Things have changed in the Christian faith since the Crusades, Islam is still back there.
Religion has no place in the law of the land

[rajput49]

[quote="Southerner"][quote="rajput49"]BY THE WAY all christians shouldnt eat also pork as it is forbidden in the bible.any one true christian beleiver wants to do in the life what jesus wants u to do.follow commandments.hope some one will read this and varify it with ur copy of bible.The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
[Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.[/quote]

Plonker these are old testament preachings.[/quote]

"well u r ignorent of ur own religion why u have old testament part of bible if u dont want to follow it?u come up with some verses that says that commendments in the old testament shouldnt be followed or what commandments u got in new testament all the commandments are in old testament.christian is the one who follows christ where jesus had pork?rather about commandments jesus sets rule by his own statement
Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20 RSV)
And, behold, one came and said unto Him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And He said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but One, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments. He saith unto Him, Which? [Note: Jesus then went on to clearly identify that by "Commandments," He meant the Ten Commandments




so dont follow ur desires and follow jesus.may be u will find light and that will take u out of darkness.

[Stout]

Religion has no place in the law of the land

Surely every nation on the face of the earth bases it's LAW on it's religious convictions, the tenets of whatever belief the nation has are the foundation upon which the nation stands.
Whether or not they manage to instill those principles in the behaviour of their subjects is another matter, lawlessness occurs everywhere, even in the high offices of those who dictate to others, or so I believe.