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[Cheshire Cat]

Qamersland,

Not only are you barking up the wrong tree, but I think you are in the wrong Forest !!

Your personal beliefs you are entitled to ,but ramming it down other peoples throats does not go down well.

[bigdog]

A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.
If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female) he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense .
the punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd(above mentioned punishment )punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her.In addition, the rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knifepoint or gunpoint. If the use of a weapon was threatened,and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allah says (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).
So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors

How can you talk about spreading peace and security in society in the same paragraph of someone getting stoned to death or getting their hands and feet chopped off ??

[Tim Drayton]

Dear Rajput,
I am not necessarily belittling the achievements of Islamic scientists, but when, for instance, people like you claim that CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY is explained in the Koran and we consider that people in the Arabian Peninsula have had this information at their fingertips since the seventh century, isn't it a little odd that they never put it into practice?

Your interpretation of European advancement is not mine. In my opinion there exists a creed of monetheism, which originated in the Middle East as Judaism and of which Christianity and Islam are just copies, and this alien creed somehow imposed itself on Europe during the dying ages of the Roman Empire and Europe was dragged into the Dark Ages. Thankfully, during the Renaissance scholars emerged who went back to examine pre-Christian Greek and Latin texts and re-discover true European thought. This paved the way for the Enlightenment. The result of all this was the replacement of a deductive form of of reasoning that went "There is one God and anyone who questions this will be killed" with positive, empirical science and inductive reasoning. I am very glad to be part of this latter pattern of thinking and just ask you to respect this.

[QAMERSLAND]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

she was punished to go against the law and because she went against the law, she was raped.

the punishment was to warn other women to follow the law. same as you punish to a murderer to be the lesson for others to stop doing it otherwise all will start to kill each other.

and once gain i saw all famous news channels were try hard day and night to show this news to malign Islam.

every country has right to make law according to their need and desire.

who are you to criticize the law of Saudi Arabia?

did they come to tell you to ask why do you reticules (man made) laws in your countries?

[QAMERSLAND]

Qamersland,

Not only are you barking up the wrong tree, but I think you are in the wrong Forest !!

Your personal beliefs you are entitled to ,but ramming it down other peoples throats does not go down well.

May be i am in wrong forest which is almost full of poison plants. i am just here to provide shadow to those who need it

[Tim Drayton]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

she was punished to go against the law and because she went against the law, she was raped.

the punishment was to warn other women to follow the law. same as you punish to a murderer to be the lesson for others to stop doing it otherwise all will start to kill each other.

and once gain i saw all famous news channels were try hard day and night to show this news to malign Islam.

every country has right to make law according to their need and desire.

who are you to criticize the law of Saudi Arabia?

did they come to tell you to ask why do you reticules (man made) laws in your countries?

Even worse, I hear from good sources that the prisons in Saudi Arabia are full of women from South Asian countries like the Phillipines and Indonesia who were working as maids and were raped by their employers, made pregnant and then, since they are unmarried, imprisoned for committing adultery. Of course, the rapists go unpunished. Sharia law - no thanks!

[Stout]

How can you talk about spreading peace and security in society in the same paragraph of someone getting stoned to death or getting their hands and feet chopped off ??

Or having electrodes strapped to their bollocks, bashing the brains out of innocent civilians with rifle butts, firing rubber bullets into a crowd of young school-children, allowing those who oppose an aggressor to die of starvation whilst in custody, etc, etc,etc.
It's all a matter of perception you see, the laws are imposed, the punishments are laid out and the devil takes the hindmost.
Happy New Year bigdog, but don't forget the ones gone by which weren't so happy mate.

As a footnote:- At least the stoning and chopping are written into the laws of that society, therefore people know what to expect if they break the laws, the latter are just acts of savagery, it begs the question of "Who are we to criticise others ?".

Off to party now, Happy New Year to all members.

[QAMERSLAND]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

she was punished to go against the law and because she went against the law, she was raped.

the punishment was to warn other women to follow the law. same as you punish to a murderer to be the lesson for others to stop doing it otherwise all will start to kill each other.

and once gain i saw all famous news channels were try hard day and night to show this news to malign Islam.

every country has right to make law according to their need and desire.

who are you to criticize the law of Saudi Arabia?

did they come to tell you to ask why do you reticules (man made) laws in your countries?

Even worse, I hear from good sources that the prisons in Saudi Arabia are full of women from South Asian countries like the Phillipines and Indonesia who were working as maids and were raped by their employers, made pregnant and then, since they are unmarried, imprisoned for committing adultery. Of course, the rapists go unpunished. Sharia law - no thanks!

there is death penalty for rapist in Islam. and my advise is to you is not to believe whatever you hear. check the news before passing on to others

[Cheshire Cat]

What punishment did the rapist recieve ?
And who are you to criticize our laws and beliefs , you are free to do this because you are allowed to here.

If you do not like where you are then leave, if you are writing from a Moslem country then stay where you are.

Sorry , but reading between the lines you are trying to either convert people who are happy as they are or trying to provoke bad feeling in what is an already touchy subject.

[Niki]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

she was punished to go against the law and because she went against the law, she was raped.

the punishment was to warn other women to follow the law. same as you punish to a murderer to be the lesson for others to stop doing it otherwise all will start to kill each other.

and once gain i saw all famous news channels were try hard day and night to show this news to malign Islam.

every country has right to make law according to their need and desire.

who are you to criticize the law of Saudi Arabia?

did they come to tell you to ask why do you reticules (man made) laws in your countries?

Sorry, not good enough, this is still wrong! Saudi follows Islam, the law follows the religious beliefs. A woman being lashed for simply being with a non-related man! She was not raped just because she was with a man that wasn't a relation she was unlucky, a victim.

After all Muslims never 'ridicule' laws of other countries do they???