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[cyprusgrump]

Is it true that in order to prove rape in some Muslim countries a woman has to have three male witnesses?

[bigdog]

I would suspect that these figures are REPORTED rapes and not the ACTUAL amount of rapes committed .

[rajput49]

A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.
If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female) he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense .
the punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd(above mentioned punishment )punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her.In addition, the rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knifepoint or gunpoint. If the use of a weapon was threatened,and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allah says (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).
So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors

[Niki]

This is meaningless - if a Muslim woman admitted she had been raped or even worse reported a rape she would be an outcast within the Muslim community. You cannot deny this.

A Saudi gang rape victim was recently sentenced to 200 lashes and 6 months in prison as she was seen in a car with a man that was not related. She was only released after the media outcry. How sick is that? You think this is fair?

[Tim Drayton]

One of the most respected Islamic scholars in Turkey, Turan Dursun, became an atheist and in the late eighties published a series of articles in a left-wing periodical in which he clearly showed that the Koran is riddled with contradictions, inconsistencies and statements which contradict known scientific fact. His articles have been published in a set of books running to three volumes. Nobody to the best of my knowledge has been able to disprove what he has written.

Off hand, the example that comes first to mind is that somewhere it is written in the Koran that Abraham was thrown into a fire by King Nimrod, when it is an uncontravertable historic fact that one of these two people lived several centuries later than the other. Curiously, he also shows that this was a misconception commonly held by Jews living in the Arabian peninsula at the time Muhammed lived. This, I think, sheds a lot of light on the real source of this book. So I would suggest that people treat with caution claims made that all sorts of scientific developments are predicted in the Koran. The question I have often asked and nobody has been able to answer is why, if for centuries Arabs living in the Arabian peninsula have had the blueprints for all kinds of technological developments in their hands, they singularly failed to realise any of them.

What do you imagine Turan Dursun's fate was? Yes, he was shot by Islamic fanatics for daring to open to his mouth. Funny, Muslims keep on telling me that Islam is a religion of brotherhood, tolerance, peace and love.

[Bill]

Is it true that in order to prove rape in some Muslim countries a woman has to have three male witnesses?

sadly yes

If not she is stoned to death for making false accusations.

The muslim faith ~ or should I say various peoples interpretation of it is the most oppressive religion there is known .

Although christened orthodox I don't follow any faith as such ~~ it's much warmer near the fiery lakes of hell anyway.

Bill ~~~ definately not going to be cold in the hereafter

[rajput49]

i have put what is islam says about these situations its up to u to make up ur mind.i dont defend acts done in the sake of GOD or islam which contradict teachings of islam.quran says when ur in doubt of some thing ask someone who knows.dont take it as a claim of knowledge i am just student of islam try to learn all the time.i also go to ask some one when i am in doubt.

[rajput49]

tim may b u need to check the history of muslim scientists what they have done in history that scientists are still using those works.
http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv.htm
these are just few things there are lot more if ur interested watch this documentry from algebra to everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3NolnO7nM
muslims are backward now because muslims have not followed the teachings of quran.in europe when they were coming out of dark ages they got the essense of laws from islamic laws all the knowledge europeans got in that time was from spanish muslim empire

[cyprusgrump]

i have put what is islam says about these situations its up to u to make up ur mind.i dont defend acts done in the sake of GOD or islam which contradict teachings of islam.quran says when ur in doubt of some thing ask someone who knows.dont take it as a claim of knowledge i am just student of islam try to learn all the time.i also go to ask some one when i am in doubt.

Are you in doubt about what has been posted above?

[rajput49]

doubt is not always what u believe cyprus grump.doubt in whether u know every detail of certain subject.and as i said i am just a student of islam and human being at the end.