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[Bananiot]

The crazy doctor, Supermario Madsakis has confirmed that he will run for President. For years he has been in the inner circles of DIKO, Papadopoulos's party. Today he came out clean.

Speaking throughout the morning on different radio shows he revealed that his party has been contemplating on the idea that the current situation is the second best solution. When Papadopoulos said this in Helsinki, his cronies tried to blame the journalist that reported it. Even Papadopoulos himself said last week that the journalist involved did not have a good command of the english language and thus he made a mistake. A few days ago, the journalist, in reply, gave his cv. Apparently he speaks and understand the language better than Papadopoulos.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos always said that no solution is better than a bad "solution".

The best would be a real solution that would unify our island, restore our human and democratic rights and actually ... solve at least most of our problems! Some agreement that would make our problems more obviously can not be accepted as a "solution" as that would be an oxymoron.

[Kifeas]

The crazy doctor, Supermario Madsakis has confirmed that he will run for President. For years he has been in the inner circles of DIKO, Papadopoulos's party. Today he came out clean.

Speaking throughout the morning on different radio shows he revealed that his party has been contemplating on the idea that the current situation is the second best solution. When Papadopoulos said this in Helsinki, his cronies tried to blame the journalist that reported it. Even Papadopoulos himself said last week that the journalist involved did not have a good command of the english language and thus he made a mistake. A few days ago, the journalist, in reply, gave his cv. Apparently he speaks and understand the language better than Papadopoulos.

Bananiot, live Matsakis aside and just tell us why you voted “yes” to the Anan plan! Live Matsakis on the side and tell us why you wanted to place our country under the suzerainty of Turkey and permanently convert it into its protectorate! Tell us why you wanted us GCs to become equal partners with kemalist Turkey in running our own country! Live Matsakis aside and just explain to us why you wanted to make your GC compatriots take an oath in the name of Turkish nationalism and in the name of the founder of the Turkish state! Live aside Matsakis and just explain why you wanted to sell 30% of your country to the ownership of the Turkish nation, and to enforce upon your compatriots to become turkified, if they wanted to return to their ancestral lands in the north from which they were ethnically cleansed by Turkey in 1974! Tell us why you approved that web of deceit and that frame-up called “the Anan plan,” and do not worry about Matsakis!

Why Bananiot, why????

[phoenix]

The crazy doctor, Supermario Madsakis has confirmed that he will run for President. For years he has been in the inner circles of DIKO, Papadopoulos's party. Today he came out clean.

Speaking throughout the morning on different radio shows he revealed that his party has been contemplating on the idea that the current situation is the second best solution. When Papadopoulos said this in Helsinki, his cronies tried to blame the journalist that reported it. Even Papadopoulos himself said last week that the journalist involved did not have a good command of the english language and thus he made a mistake. A few days ago, the journalist, in reply, gave his cv. Apparently he speaks and understand the language better than Papadopoulos.

I thought Papadopoulos always said we are looking for the best solution and rejecting bad alternatives until we have acquired the best solution?

We are not in a state of having a solution because the Turkish troops are still on Cyprus preventing access to the north.

The Cyprus problem is not solved so it cannot be the second best solution.

Do you think what we have now is a solution Bananiot? . . . because I thought it was still a problem.

Or are we playing semantics?

[Piratis]

Bananiot, confuses an agreement with a solution.

The two not only are not necessarily the same but they can be opposite.

In order for an agreement and a solution to mean the same thing it would mean that the agreement would actually solve the problem.

The Annan plan solved the problem that TCs had and then some. So they voted "yes" to it. But not only it didn't solve our problem, but it made it bigger, so we voted "no" to it. Simple really.

I guess it all depends on what each ones problem is. If for example you don't care much about Cyprus as a whole and you have property in that 7% that maybe would be returned, then maybe you would gamble your country, and if you were lucky and you got back that property of yours then you would sell it as fast as possible and move out of Cyprus before everything collapses.

However that kind of gamble is a possibility only among a minority of people, and above all most Cypriots care about their country as a whole and would not like themselves and their children to grow up in an undemocratic, unstable and bankrupt Banana Republic.

Instead of having 2/3rd of Cyprus as a bankrupt "constiduent state" without an international voice and with the rest 1/3rd of Cyprus officially Turkified, we would rather have 2/3rd of Cyprus as the free part of a real state, which is economically sound, democratic and with an international voice, while at the same time maintaining our rights over the other 1/3rd of our island, something which will have a very real value when the balance of power will change.

[Bananiot]

I see Madsakis will create some serious problems in the Papadopoulos camp.

I will "live" Matsakis alone Kifeas but I am not the one that is "killing" him. Could you now tell us why you voted in the way you did so that you could come three and a half years later and tell us that its either bloodshed or partition? I think I posted my thought on why I voted "yes" on two occasions but now I can give you another reason.

So that we will not face a dead end and be asked to pick from two options: Bloodshed or partition!

[zan]

Bananiot, confuses an agreement with a solution.

The two not only are not necessarily the same but they can be opposite.

In order for an agreement and a solution to mean the same thing it would mean that the agreement would actually solve the problem.

The Annan plan solved the problem that TCs had and then some. So they voted "yes" to it. But not only it didn't solve our problem, but it made it bigger, so we voted "no" to it. Simple really.

I guess it all depends on what each ones problem is. If for example you don't care much about Cyprus as a whole and you have property in that 7% that maybe would be returned, then maybe you would gamble your country, and if you were lucky and you got back that property of yours then you would sell it as fast as possible and move out of Cyprus before everything collapses.

However that kind of gamble is a possibility only among a minority of people, and above all most Cypriots care about their country as a whole and would not like themselves and their children to grow up in an undemocratic, unstable and bankrupt Banana Republic.

Instead of having 2/3rd of Cyprus as a bankrupt "constiduent state" without an international voice and with the rest 1/3rd of Cyprus officially Turkified, we would rather have 2/3rd of Cyprus as the free part of a real state, which is economically sound, democratic and with an international voice, while at the same time maintaining our rights over the other 1/3rd of our island, something which will have a very real value when the balance of power will change.

If you are that confident then lift the embargoes and see us fail and then your little plan can work. Not so sure of the outcome are you so you don't. Lift the embargoes and watch us go........

[phoenix]

I thought the embargoes were Internationally respected (bar from a few with vested interests) and not subject to the mere say so of the RoC

You see Zan, the Cyprus problem is not just about whether the Turks have carried out something illegitimate on the Cypriots. It's about justice being served on the wrongdoers . . . . bit like a murderer being put in prison, isn't just for the benefit of the victim's family, but for the whole community.

[zan]

I thought the embargoes were Internationally respected (bar from a few with vested interests) and not subject to the mere say so of the RoC

You see Zan, the Cyprus problem is not just about whether the Turks have carried out something illegitimate on the Cypriots. It's about justice being served on the wrongdoers . . . . bit like a murderer being put in prison, isn't just for the benefit of the victim's family, but for the whole community.

The whole GC community, yes! The murderer "RoC" is in power and not prison so justice has not ben served. The fact that the "RoC" stole the power in an underhanded but well planned way does not mean they are right. Injustices have been put right before and will again. Will you then accept the decision or protest against it. The UN and the EU are talking about lifting the isolation and embargoes...Why are you the only country that is refusing????Why not follow the right path of that justice rather than being the outcast of EU and UN thinking. I forgot...You guys are always right and the rest of the world wrong.........What a place to live in....It must be wonderful.

[phoenix]

I thought the embargoes were Internationally respected (bar from a few with vested interests) and not subject to the mere say so of the RoC

You see Zan, the Cyprus problem is not just about whether the Turks have carried out something illegitimate on the Cypriots. It's about justice being served on the wrongdoers . . . . bit like a murderer being put in prison, isn't just for the benefit of the victim's family, but for the whole community.

The whole GC community, yes! The murderer "RoC" is in power and not prison so justice has not ben served. The fact that the "RoC" stole the power in an underhanded but well planned way does not mean they are right. Injustices have been put right before and will again. Will you then accept the decision or protest against it. The UN and the EU are talking about lifting the isolation and embargoes...Why are you the only country that is refusing????Why not follow the right path of that justice rather than being the outcast of EU and UN thinking. I forgot...You guys are always right and the rest of the world wrong.........What a place to live in....It must be wonderful.

Zan it may come as a surprise but your opinion doesn't alter what is right and wrong. International Law recognises the Turks as the wrongdoers so you cannot argue with the Laws of the World . . . and ignorance is no excuse for breaking them.

If the EU and UN are talking about lifting the embargo and isolation, (they have not been lifted yet), then remember there will be hefty conditions, punishments and serving of justice . . . which is what everyone wants except Turkey.