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[shahmaran]

Yes, i don't think YOU get a say in what goes on around OUR section of the island no more, that's what you don't seem to be able to get into your head Einstein.

Ask your beloved partner in crime Piratis and Kifeas, if they are waiting for the so called "shift of power" they keep rambling on about, and then you will understand why we will need to be able to protect ourselves from people like you until you and your likes go extinct.

The EU stood by and watched the latest massacre of the century take place in its heart, so you being a member of the EU does not change the fact that you too are capable of massacres. No matter how much you go on about being ever so civilised can change that, after all, you are animals like the rest of us

[Piratis]

What is "your section of the ilsnad" shahmaran? Are you talking about the section which is the homeland of 5+ times more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots? The secttion which has 1000s of years of Greek history on it? The one you ethnically cleansed every Greek Cypriot, changed the names of our villages, destroyed our churches and now have the nerve to call "yours"?

You need to understand the difference between what is yours and what you illegally occupy. If a thief is in possession of a stolen item doesn't make the thief the owner of the item.

[shahmaran]

I don't see any Greeks around here, and i happen to live right next to 2 upstanding Churches, so come back when you actually make sense OK? Thank you.

[pantheman]

Hmmmm if we were not partitioned we would have been a part of Greece, right?

So don't blame us for your ancestors incompetence, you seem to be very hypocritical by suggesting that we are on the wrong but yet we are refusing to accept it, unfortunately that is not the way to find a "middle ground", there has been many articles and findings posted here by the TC's all to be bombarded with propaganda labels at an instance by the GC's, what have you got to say about that Pantheman?

Yes this discussion might not actually get anywhere EVER, but it is not an excuse to stop discussing it.

On the other hand, i find the views on Kemalism of most people here very uninformed and inaccurate, Kemalism is what kept Turkey together, yet it has been manipulated and stagnated by many backward politicians over the years, but this does not mean one can still blame it on Ataturk, that would be like blaming Jesus for most of the wars throughout history

Shah,

Thanks for the response, however, I don't wish to continue this ping ponging of an argument, because it is the same as been going on on this forum for sometime now.

I only want to say this , I tested you (TCs / Turks) in my earlier posting about you guys not admitting to any wrong doings, and low and behold, between you, Zan and halil have just proven what the GCs have been saying along. You NEVER admit to anything. I made an admission and I posed the same to you, but no. This is your biggest problem you admit to nothing, yet you always come back with more rubbish. Have you ever heard of BBB? Its Bullshit Baffles Brains, and sadly thats all you lot are doing. Only you are fooling no one, just yourselves.

You are just as guilty as we are in the cyprus problem, in the propoganda spreading, in the insults, in everything that has gone on. The biggest difference is we have admitted to alot of stuff and want to move on, you have admitted to nothing (and continue to take this line) and are stuck in the past.

I have, unfortunately, just returned from my 5th funeral in the last month or so and to be honest, I 've had enough of all this bickering, we have only one life, we need to live it and thats my outlook on life from now on.

I truely wish that we could find a just solution for all concerned, but you and I both know that the bigger powers are not going to let this happen. Turkey being the biggest player of course.

Anyhow, have a Happy new Year and lets just pray for something good to come from all this.

Enough.

[zan]

Hmmmm if we were not partitioned we would have been a part of Greece, right?

So don't blame us for your ancestors incompetence, you seem to be very hypocritical by suggesting that we are on the wrong but yet we are refusing to accept it, unfortunately that is not the way to find a "middle ground", there has been many articles and findings posted here by the TC's all to be bombarded with propaganda labels at an instance by the GC's, what have you got to say about that Pantheman?

Yes this discussion might not actually get anywhere EVER, but it is not an excuse to stop discussing it.

On the other hand, i find the views on Kemalism of most people here very uninformed and inaccurate, Kemalism is what kept Turkey together, yet it has been manipulated and stagnated by many backward politicians over the years, but this does not mean one can still blame it on Ataturk, that would be like blaming Jesus for most of the wars throughout history

Shah,

Thanks for the response, however, I don't wish to continue this ping ponging of an argument, because it is the same as been going on on this forum for sometime now.

I only want to say this , I tested you (TCs / Turks) in my earlier posting about you guys not admitting to any wrong doings, and low and behold, between you, Zan and halil have just proven what the GCs have been saying along. You NEVER admit to anything. I made an admission and I posed the same to you, but no. This is your biggest problem you admit to nothing, yet you always come back with more rubbish. Have you ever heard of BBB? Its Bullshit Baffles Brains, and sadly thats all you lot are doing. Only you are fooling no one, just yourselves.

You are just as guilty as we are in the cyprus problem, in the propoganda spreading, in the insults, in everything that has gone on. The biggest difference is we have admitted to alot of stuff and want to move on, you have admitted to nothing (and continue to take this line) and are stuck in the past.

I have, unfortunately, just returned from my 5th funeral in the last month or so and to be honest, I 've had enough of all this bickering, we have only one life, we need to live it and thats my outlook on life from now on.

I truely wish that we could find a just solution for all concerned, but you and I both know that the bigger powers are not going to let this happen. Turkey being the biggest player of course.

Anyhow, have a Happy new Year and lets just pray for something good to come from all this.

Enough.

There ae things to cahllenge on this but you have made up your mind long before any test you say you set us, though I fail to see any.......


That being said I am sorry for your loss and the number of times that has occurred. I hope good news comes your way soon and throughout the year.

[shahmaran]

To be honest, after spending almost a year on this forum, i can confidently say that the general tone around here is far from admitting the wrong doings on the GC part, but its mainly about blaming every possible thing that went wrong in Cyprus on the Turks in general. Therefore it is no surprise that most TC's here oppose it with counter blames, i find it balancing actually.

I am sorry for your loss Pantheman, and i totally agree with your "one life to live" motto, i have had my share of experiences that make me agree with you wholeheartedly, hence why i take this forum with a bit of salt and my views are never put to practice outside, these are just opinions and there are more important things to be worried about like living, even if that is being made very hard for us in the TRNC, i can assure you that it does not affect our outlook on life, we are all humans after all and we try to make the best of whatever is at hand.

Moral of the story, don't count on the Cyprus problem for happiness, or you will end up with a bitter soul like Piratis.

[humanist]

Pantheman, I am sorry to hear abour your loss.

Shahmaran, thanks for acknowledging Pantheman in your above post. I also appreciated the rest of the post. So if we all agree that both sides have acted innapropriately toward eachother at some stage in the past. Can we now concentrate ob building a brighter greater future? Can we for one day at least try and post positive things about being Cypriots and living and working together and sharing resources availabe to us.

Thanks

[shahmaran]

Sure Humanist, i have never had any problems doing so, but unfortunately most people here don't even live in Cyprus, and the ones that do (funny enough) don't really want unification

[tcklim]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

Your definition applies to anyone who subscribes to the Orthodox/Catholic/Islamic etc. etc. faiths all around the world..... whilst i do not belong to any of these groups myself, it is unfair to insinuate hatred against a population based on their reverence of a non-living alpha male...... most of the world unfortunately does so with the full encouragement/blessing of their respective states

[Eric dayi]

The GCs, and not only the ones in this forum, do not hate Ataturk, they just hate the fact that he was a Turk and not a Greek.

Anything they say about Ataturk is just through jealousy and nothing else.