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[shahmaran]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

If only you could REALLY add up some sense with the sum of such claims, that would be absolutely amazing, however you are incapable of seeing anything that is not your own eyes, you are a lost cause from the root and everything else, falls nothing short from just detail, as they say in Turkish, "a tree can only be shaped when its young"

[zan]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

If only you could REALLY add up some sense with the sum of such claims, that would be absolutely amazing, however you are incapable of seeing anything that is not your own eyes, you are a lost cause from the root and everything else, falls nothing short from just detail, as they say in Turkish, "a tree can only be shaped when its young"

At least it explains why they vote in people that is less than the total of he sum of the people.........Inferiority complex adds up to Tpap in power......

[pantheman]

Guys, theres no point talking to these people (Tcs / Turks), as they won't hear anything thats not in their favour.

They won't hear it from GC's and they won't even hear it from their own people so theres no point.

It never ceases to amaze me alot of the really rubbish replies that they find to write. Alot of it is just regurgitated crap that they have been spouting in the past, and god, sometimes they just write for the sake of a response however, usless the reply is.

This is a no win situation, it is a my way or no way condition for them.

The likes of VP, ZAN, Shahmaran, et al, are true fanatics, Partitionists, uncompromising kemalists who will always have an excuse for anything placed before them. They need to wake up to the future and not cling to the past.

I rest my case, you are just not worth it.

[zan]

Guys, theres no point talking to these people (Tcs / Turks), as they won't hear anything thats not in their favour.

They won't hear it from GC's and they won't even hear it from their own people so theres no point.

It never ceases to amaze me alot of the really rubbish replies that they find to write. Alot of it is just regurgitated crap that they have been spouting in the past, and god, sometimes they just write for the sake of a response however, usless the reply is.

This is a no win situation, it is a my way or no way condition for them.

The likes of VP, ZAN, Shahmaran, et al, are true fanatics, Partitionists, uncompromising kemalists who will always have an excuse for anything placed before them. They need to wake up to the future and not cling to the past.

I rest my case, you are just not worth it.

At least we were worth those comments so it just remains for me to thank you and congratulate you for your new comments. Can you tell me what else you have learned in your capacity within the Cyprob because it seems that you too are stuck in a time warp and have not budged an inch.....That does not matter I suppose because you are right and we are wrong......Hellenism........The plight of the informed.....

[phoenix]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

If only you could REALLY add up some sense with the sum of such claims, that would be absolutely amazing, however you are incapable of seeing anything that is not your own eyes, you are a lost cause from the root and everything else, falls nothing short from just detail, as they say in Turkish, "a tree can only be shaped when its young"

At least it explains why they vote in people that is less than the total of he sum of the people.........Inferiority complex adds up to Tpap in power......

How about a discussion on the points/issues/Ataturk....

[zan]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

If only you could REALLY add up some sense with the sum of such claims, that would be absolutely amazing, however you are incapable of seeing anything that is not your own eyes, you are a lost cause from the root and everything else, falls nothing short from just detail, as they say in Turkish, "a tree can only be shaped when its young"

At least it explains why they vote in people that is less than the total of he sum of the people.........Inferiority complex adds up to Tpap in power......

How about a discussion on the points/issues/Ataturk....

Done it many times here and on other forums with Kifeas...He seems to have learned nothing and I am immune to surprise in that area anymore. As to YOU climbing on your high horse about sticking to the subject.......Do me a favour

[pantheman]

Guys, theres no point talking to these people (Tcs / Turks), as they won't hear anything thats not in their favour.

They won't hear it from GC's and they won't even hear it from their own people so theres no point.

It never ceases to amaze me alot of the really rubbish replies that they find to write. Alot of it is just regurgitated crap that they have been spouting in the past, and god, sometimes they just write for the sake of a response however, usless the reply is.

This is a no win situation, it is a my way or no way condition for them.

The likes of VP, ZAN, Shahmaran, et al, are true fanatics, Partitionists, uncompromising kemalists who will always have an excuse for anything placed before them. They need to wake up to the future and not cling to the past.

I rest my case, you are just not worth it.

At least we were worth those comments so it just remains for me to thank you and congratulate you for your new comments. Can you tell me what else you have learned in your capacity within the Cyprob because it seems that you too are stuck in a time warp and have not budged an inch.....That does not matter I suppose because you are right and we are wrong......Hellenism........The plight of the informed.....

No Zan, you are wrong mate, I have learnt something, I have learnt that no matter what information, statistics, reports or anything else that is presented to you, that does not suit you, you always shun it, disagree with it, reject it. You keep harping on this "Hellenism / Enosis" rubbish as an excuse to continue your partitionist activities.

You are the one who goes by the "you are right i am wrong" attitude, because you just don't want ANYTHING else bar partition. We (GCs) must be wrong, we are all murdering swines and out for the blood of any TC / Turk etc. Give me a break, that excuse went out years ago, but you continue to use this as a reason to keep your troops here and prevent us returning to our homes. I have accepted many times that the GCs were no angels and did do many wrongs, but you mate, you never have, and continue to apportion blame solely and squarely on the shoulders of all GCs. Thats the root cause of the problem in cyprus today. You just won't accept ANY responsibility. (when I say you, i mean the hard liners like VP, Shah, yourself, halil, deniz to some extent and one or two others)

As for time warps, come on mate, Ataturk died how long ago, but you still seem to be holding onto his robes. This is the 21st century and Turkey needs to wake up to it, gone are the days when you just took the sword and sliced someone up for not agreeing with you. But alas, you and your likes seem to think its still OK to do that.

[halil]

Halil comes from Cyprus. İ am a Turkish Cypriot . İ am not living at 63 or 74 . İ am living at 2008. Not like others İ didn't stuck with past . İ am thanking to my god . İ have my own freedome and İ am enjoying it . İ am enjoying it withouth fear .No one has right to force me to belive what they belives .
look at them who are you that you are giving us advice . Have a look at your past first of all . Before giving us ,(TC'S) what shall we do ?
We are happy that we are not teaching rascism to our kids . Reports from Cyprus collage says all about it .
For us Greeks are humans as everybody . İn your literature you don't have it . What you have is only hate and hate .

[shahmaran]

Hmmmm if we were not partitioned we would have been a part of Greece, right?

So don't blame us for your ancestors incompetence, you seem to be very hypocritical by suggesting that we are on the wrong but yet we are refusing to accept it, unfortunately that is not the way to find a "middle ground", there has been many articles and findings posted here by the TC's all to be bombarded with propaganda labels at an instance by the GC's, what have you got to say about that Pantheman?

Yes this discussion might not actually get anywhere EVER, but it is not an excuse to stop discussing it.

On the other hand, i find the views on Kemalism of most people here very uninformed and inaccurate, Kemalism is what kept Turkey together, yet it has been manipulated and stagnated by many backward politicians over the years, but this does not mean one can still blame it on Ataturk, that would be like blaming Jesus for most of the wars throughout history

[phoenix]

Hmmmm if we were not partitioned we would have been a part of Greece, right?

Maybe... But the chance of that nowadays and in the future is ZERO. And that has nothing to do with the presence of the Turkish troops or the continuing influence of Turkey.

It has everything to do with the fact that both are separate EU member countries and the benefits of remaining as two independent countries are numerous.

So any excuse the Turks had for remaining to prevent ENOSIS with Greece is no longer valid.