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[MR-from-NG]

Humanist, I know you're logged on and probably looking for the mentioned post. You wont find such a post.

I need to go to bed now as I have an early morning meeting.

Goodnight mate loads of hugs and kisses from me, please ignore my earlier post in which I was rude to you, I apologise for this and I hope it will never happen again. It was written in a moment of anger

[humanist]

Good night NG .....

[Nikitas]

Sometimes I try to imagine Cyprus with an international frontier running across it. Not check points and meek stuff like that, but a full scale international border. How life would be on either side of it without the pretense we are one etc, with each side going full speed ahead with its own agenda.

Now as to the percentages of territory, well the 18-82 ratio will be one thing that the international community understands and would be willing to press for. It is within their narrow scope and similar to sports scores. Nice and simple and doable.

The other thing to be ready for is that the Turkish army will never leave Cyprus once partition is carried out. They will always be there and as long as they are there the RoC will have no choice but to be armed. So forget the dream of a demilitarised island.

But would the north be automatically part of the EU by virtue of the RoC having become a member in 2004? It seems not, they will have to wait either until Turkey enters and they ride piggy back on her entry, or make the whole process from the beginning. Either, way, until that happens the border will also be the easternmost frontier of the EU. So there go the passports and the IDs etc as all TCs will be deprived of their Cypriot nationality and will become automatically TRNC citizens. I guess the workers who come south every day will have to get residence and work permits.

And then the real fun will start. With about a million EU citizens right next door you can imagine how the businesses in the north will organize themselves. It is a fair bet that the RoC media will be inundated with adverts for goods and services of the north. Stuff like "come to the TRNC, spend a night in your grandad's house" or "pilgrimage to Apostolos Andreas" etc, it is the kind of campaign going in Greece now enticing people to Istanbul and Smyrni. And Greeks are the biggest spenders in Istanbul.

Naturally the bigger foreign companis will not want to establish two of everything on the island and will prefere to be in the EU south than the non EU north. The result will be day visits to the south for shopping and wholesale purchases pretty much like it is now. And slowly the south will draw in the north and things will find heir natural balance.

[boomerang]

Nikitas do you actually think if partition goes ahead, they will become a country or annexed to turkey?...I think the latter, and when this becomes a reality, watch them move to the RoC, claiming their 1960 rights...but I am afraid that will be too late...

On top of that, they will never get a job in the RoC, as the borders will be shut...The reason their standard of living has risen the last 3-4 years is because of the opening of the crossings, and the selling of land...Well the selling of land only benefited the few chosen ones and not all...The workers that walk over to the RoC, are not part of the chosen ones, coz if they were they wouldn't need to work...

So end of the day they are screwing themselves in believing that partition is the answer...

Also lets not forget the recent poll where 40% do not prefer a 2 state solution...These people will not accept, partition as thet know what partition entails...

[utu]

Is that 18.4 percent figure based on pre-1974 land residency, or population percentage?

[Nikitas]

the 18-82 is based on population at 1974. Land ownership rates are in fact lower for the TCs, as posted in the past by Kifeas if I am not mistaken from land registry figures. The land registry was started by the British by the way, so if ther is any doubting the figures go to them for clarification.

In any case, even the 18-82 division gives the northern side a disproportionate amount of coastline, which in a tourist oriented economy is the primary resource.

[Nikitas]

Boomerang,

An Athens University economics professor had predicted that the larger economy on the island will tend to draw the wealth, and events have proved him right. The process will intensify as the full impact of the EU bites. The Euro will be a big factor of change. Not only can TCs walk south and work, they will be paid in the hardest currency on the planet, and more importantly they can bank their money in the south too. Mr Talat is in for a big surprise next year.

[humanist]

Nikitas as always your posts are informative to the point and very clear thank you.

Booms I do believe annexation is what willhappen ........ but if the likes of the french and a few anti Turkish supporters veto the accession then your prediction will be right that they will all move to the south. In the meantime we lost 18% of our land to Turkey never to be gotten back. Where will the traitors go then.

Booms altough Australia and US are just as fascists as Turkey they could become better

Today I support 18% - 82% partition. I am not sure I agree with the mentality that comes form the Turks of Cyprus.

[boomerang]

Nikitas as always your posts are informative to the point and very clear thank you.

Booms I do believe annexation is what willhappen ........ but if the likes of the french and a few anti Turkish supporters veto the accession then your prediction will be right that they will all move to the south. In the meantime we lost 18% of our land to Turkey never to be gotten back. Where will the traitors go then.

Booms altough Australia and US are just as fascists as Turkey they could become better

Today I support 18% - 82% partition. I am not sure I agree with the mentality that comes form the Turks of Cyprus.

They will have to apply for residency, Humanist...and that might no be as easy as you think...and having to accept their minority rights...

I'm anterested in knowing as to how you can call OZ and the US fascist though...

[humanist]

oh come on matey, the minute I was accepted in this country and was given citizenship I became an Australian. When am referred to as those migrants I take offence to it. Thanks to our last prime minister I feel more excluded from the austrlian community today than I did 25 years ago when I was just a kid who never contributed to the Australian community/ society.

Back to Cyprus ...... what minority rights might they be. One for one vote that sounds like equality to me. Rightly so, why should someone of a minority group be given the opportunty to become president if they have good political ideology and backing.