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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:23 pm

observer wrote:If CopperLine is correct, your Council of Europe report is actually a GC report given by the GCs to the Council of Europe and not endorsed by them.

Don't you get just a small smell that it might not be entirely true - unless you believe that the GC government can not lie (headed by Papadopoulos!!!!!!!!)


Piratis see things they way he wants, there is no other point of view to him everything is black and white with no shades of gray in between How on earth can you agree anything with a such a blinkered and narrow minded person. I have read one of his post where he let his guard down and actually acknowledged that we have concerns that should be addressed, go on Piratis change a new leaf in 2008 and show us your are human like the rest of us.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:30 pm

If CopperLine is correct, your Council of Europe report is actually a GC report given by the GCs to the Council of Europe and not endorsed by them.


The report was made by Jaakko Laakso of the Committee on Migration, Refugees and Demography of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. It has nothing to do with the Cyprus government.

On the other hand PRIO is a private organization with a 6 million Euro turnover every year, sponsored by anybody who wants to sponsor it, and there is little doubt who one of its sponsors is since it fully adopts your numbers and uses quotes around the word settler, while it doesn't use quotes around "trnc" as it should.
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:45 pm

Piratis,
This is getting silly - PRIO is not 'sponsored by anybody who wants to sponsor it' and far from there being 'little doubt who one of its sponsors is' (implying TRNC or Turkey) neither of these entities are sponsors. Why don't you check - as opposed to wild and baseless speculation - who actually funds PRIO ?

You keep saying 'your numbers' - no, not my numbers. I didn't generate the numbers, I don't own the numbers, I didn't make the numbers up.

On the other hand PRIO Cyprus is located in GC Nicosia. Should we conclude - with equally little or absent evidence - that it is an instrument of RoC ?

' ...while it doesn't use quotes around "trnc" as it should.' Do you appreciate quite how pathetic an objection that is ? Have you completely blanked out the fact that your much-loved CoE Assembly report doesn't use quotation marks as you think they should be used. Should we join you in taking this as evidence of CoE bias and unreliability ?
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Postby observer » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:46 pm

I was surprised to see Phoenix on this thread (no, I wasn't really) but in the GC way of counting, wouldn't her mother be classified as a 'Settler'?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:47 pm

By the way what do you guys have to say about the recent report that Ankara is trying to make Talat to give "trnc citizenships" to an additional 50.000 Settlers? If we believe your numbers then where would Talat find such number of Settlers to give them "citizenships"?
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Postby observer » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:49 pm

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I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him - Galileo Galilei

... but then, he never met Piratis :lol: :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:58 pm

CopperLine, the CoE reports mentions the "trnc" without quotes only when it is quoting what TCs said.

PRIO doesn't disclose its sponsors but it admits it is sponsored by various organizations out of which it mentions only a selected few.

So I ask you again: Why you reject what the experts of CoE wrote, and instead you insist on some report of a private institution?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:59 pm

observer wrote:CopperLine
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him - Galileo Galilei

... but then, he never met Piratis :lol: :lol:


You run out of arguments observer?
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:06 pm

By the way what do you guys have to say about the recent report that Ankara is trying to make Talat to give "trnc citizenships" to an additional 50.000 Settlers? If we believe your numbers then where would Talat find such number of Settlers to give them "citizenships"?


Piratis, this is what is called a 'leading question' and can only be addressed if one ignores the basic logical fallacies.

But let's take that fallacy in parts.

First, the story may simply be untrue. It is the kind of guff that regularly gets circulated - including in Forums like this - for which there is no real basis.

Second, suppose it is basically true that Turkey wants TRNC to create more citizens, where does the figure 50,000 come from ? Very often politicians, like Forumers like Piratis, just pluck figures from the air so there's no prima facie reason why we should take 50,000 as an operative figure.

Third, suppose the figure is indeed a request for 50,000, unless we had reliable population data we would have absolutely no idea what that figure means let alone how that figure could be acheived. The whole point of the PRIO report was to try an rescue the demographic debate from the crude politicking which contaminates this field. If we - that is anybody of whatever politics who is interested in the Cyprus question - don't know who is temporary, permanent, migrant, or whatever else then it is impossible to answer Piratis' question. Oh I'm sure that he and many others will not desist from any number of wild speculations ; but that is what they are, wild speculations serving a pre-ordained political purpose.
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Postby observer » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:18 pm

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You run out of arguments observer?

I don't believe that I've had an argement. As I originally said, I consider the figures of GC 'settlers' exaggerated in the original newspaper article. I also consider the number of TC 'settlers' quoted by the GC government and newspapers to be exaggerated. It would be surprising if they were not.
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