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[Piratis]

As the biggest propaganda merchant on this forum, you should be an idiot to think that your views on "propaganda" should hold any value in the first place

shahmaran, what you don't realize is that we don't need any propaganda. There are UN resolutions that clearly state that in Cyprus there is one and only legal state the Republic of Cyprus, that the Turkish troops should immediately withdraw from our country, and that your so called "trnc" is legally invalid. Furthermore there are ECHR rulings that prove that Turkey not only is obligated to give back the land she forcefully stole for us, but also to compensate us for the decades it illegally kept it under occupation.

We don't need any propaganda because truth and justice are clearly on our side.

On the other hand what you have are the big guns and the AngloAmerican friends, things that helped you get away with the illegality, but not legalize it. So in your effort to legalize the illegalities and excuse your crimes you are coming up with all sorts of propaganda, exaggerations and outright lies.

The case with settlers is just one of them. There is no doubt that Turkey brought 10s of thousands of Settlers in order to change the democraphics of Cyprus. And in order for Turks to excuse this crime of theirs which is against the Geneva conventions they started to invent stories about "Greek Settlers" and all that load of crap that Atun wrote.

Even your main propaganda point is a big fat lie. That supposedly Turkey came to Cyprus to save the TCs who were being killed. Your propaganda is trying to pass the lie that there was a slaughtering of TCs going on from 1963 until 1974 and Turkey made a "peace operation" to save them. But the truth is that there was an inter-communal conflict where both sides were responsible for and both sides lost a few 100s of people, and that conflict was until 1968 and it had nothing to do with the invasion that came 6 whole years later in 1974. And it is proven that no TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish troops with the colaboration of TCs invaded our country and started the war.

Your Turkish government is the masters of propaganda (since they have the best teachers, the British), and maybe you should stick with the official line instead of getting over enthusiastic with it and making your idiotic claims uncoordinated.

[Piratis]

Piratis wrote (rather charmingly I thought)

what a load of crap!

and then went on to say

One should be idiot to believe even a single word from what this guy is witting (half-witting?). Not only what he is saying has absolutely nothing to do with the truth, but he is such an idiot he even wrote that the asylum seekers were voting in elections

Odd then to believe GC propaganda about the 10s of thousands of Turks living in the North. A more rational body than the GC government, International Peace Institute, Oslo did a detailed study in 2005. You can find their results here:
http://www.prio.no/files/manual-import/ ... educed.pdf
Their figures seem reasonable, matched by simple observation.

Has a similar, independent study, been done on the GC portion of Cyprus?

Rational body? Those are the ones who where sending me the pro-Annan booklets, and in the document you gave they refer to "Settlers" in quotes, or as they prefer to call them 'Turkish immigrants' while they do not use the quotes for the "trnc".

The most accurate report about the Settlers was done by the Council of Europe:

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

The free areas of Republic of Cyprus do not have Settlers because we are an independent state, not some puppet state where Turkey is importing 10s of thousands of Anatolians and gives to them the lands that were stolen from us in order to change the democraphics.

If you want to check the population composition of the free areas you can find a link to the 2001 census and other facts here:

http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statis ... enDocument

[Pyrpolizer]

As the biggest propaganda merchant on this forum, you should be an idiot to think that your views on "propaganda" should hold any value in the first place

shahmaran, what you don't realize is that we don't need any propaganda. There are UN resolutions that clearly state that in Cyprus there is one and only legal state the Republic of Cyprus, that the Turkish troops should immediately withdraw from our country, and that your so called "trnc" is legally invalid. Furthermore there are ECHR rulings that prove that Turkey not only is obligated to give back the land she forcefully stole for us, but also to compensate us for the decades it illegally kept it under occupation.

We don't need any propaganda because truth and justice are clearly on our side.

On the other hand what you have are the big guns and the AngloAmerican friends, things that helped you get away with the illegality, but not legalize it. So in your effort to legalize the illegalities and excuse your crimes you are coming up with all sorts of propaganda, exaggerations and outright lies.

The case with settlers is just one of them. There is no doubt that Turkey brought 10s of thousands of Settlers in order to change the democraphics of Cyprus. And in order for Turks to excuse this crime of theirs which is against the Geneva conventions they started to invent stories about "Greek Settlers" and all that load of crap that Atun wrote.

Even your main propaganda point is a big fat lie. That supposedly Turkey came to Cyprus to save the TCs who were being killed. Your propaganda is trying to pass the lie that there was a slaughtering of TCs going on from 1963 until 1974 and Turkey made a "peace operation" to save them. But the truth is that there was an inter-communal conflict where both sides were responsible for and both sides lost a few 100s of people, and that conflict was until 1968 and it had nothing to do with the invasion that came 6 whole years later in 1974. And it is proven that no TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish troops with the colaboration of TCs invaded our country and started the war.

Your Turkish government is the masters of propaganda (since they have the best teachers, the British), and maybe you should stick with the official line instead of getting over enthusiastic with it and making your idiotic claims uncoordinated.

That's what I told halil who thinks he discovered gold, and thinks the TCs and Turks are so incapable compared to the GCs that they cannot even make propaganda.
I simply told him if he wants to do it successfully, he has to propagate the TRUTH.

I doubt he understood his lesson anyway. Some people are beyond repair....

[halil]

glad to see you smile halil



I fail to see how 5,000 asylum seekers to 800000 Cypriots equate to 90000 Turkish speaking Cypriots to 200000 settlers soon to become 250,000. Like I said I give no shit if you are a minority in your country. I have nothng else to prove

Dear friend , İ am always smiling .
İ hope one day you can break the walls in your brain and we meet. Than you can see how happy and loughing person İ am.

İ hope you get my message.

[Tim Drayton]

1. Kurds and Lebanese Christians are not Greek.
2. Assylum seekers have no right to vote in parliamentary elections (not even permanent resident EU nationals have this right - they can only vote in municipal elections).

[Piratis]

1. Kurds and Lebanese Christians are not Greek.
2. Assylum seekers have no right to vote in parliamentary elections (not even permanent resident EU nationals have this right - they can only vote in municipal elections).

Tim, thats just the tip of the iceberg that makes his lies obvious even to people who have no idea of the Cyprus history. But nothing of the rest is true either.

e.g. his first "argument" is that 60.000 TCs left from Cyprus in 1964 and a further 60.000 in 1974 because of the coup. If 120.000 TCs left Cyprus there wouldn't be any TCs in Cyprus! Secondly the coup lasted 5 days and then the invasion started. This guy is telling us that 60.000 TCs left an island in the middle of civil unrest within 5 days! The magnitude of the lies is unimaginable.

Yes, a few thousands of TCs left in the 60s, just like a few 1000s of GCs did. Some did because of the inter-communal conflict and some because at that time Cyprus was a poor country and people emigrated abroad searching for a better future.

Here is a quote from the Council of Europe report I posted a link in my previous post:

According to the censuses which took place in Cyprus before the factual partition of the island, the Greek Cypriot community amounted to 447,901 (78,2%) in 1960, and to 498,511 (78,9%) in 1973[4]. The Turkish Cypriot community numbered 103,822 (18,1%) people in 1960, and 116 000 (18,4%) in 1973. The total population of Cyprus was 572,707 in 1960 and 631,778 in 1973 (see Appendix 3, Table 1). An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.

[humanist]

Hi Halil, I hope you can appreciate where I am at. Then you will also understand. May be next time I visit Cyprus A golden dawn will be lovely for the whole world.

[halil]

Hi Halil, I hope you can appreciate where I am at. Then you will also understand. May be next time I visit Cyprus A golden dawn will be lovely for the whole world.

AMEN .
İ do understand you mate . I hope you do understand us as well .
We have a project in Australia , If they says yes to project . I will be in Australia for a while . We might meet in Sydney.

[humanist]

perhaps our paths may cross

[halil]

perhaps our paths may cross

even paths are crossed , there is a way to find middle way .