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[shahmaran]

Your "survival" also led you to commit atrocities, and mass murders, and long term agendas to Greekify the island entirely, what have you got to say about that? Do you find it justifiable? Do you think what the Jews or the Kurds are doing for "survival" is justifiable?

Most of the island has already been 'Greekified' for the last 3,500 years. If the overwhelming majority of Cypriots want union with Greece - why is it not justifiable to accept it. Do you not find democracy justifiable? At that point in time, Cypriots had long been under imperial rule by the British and before them by the Ottoman Turks. Why is it unjustifiable for them to democratically choose their destiny as a people?...and what has the Jews and the Kurds got to do with this? If anything, the state of Israel has much the same history and actions as the Turks in Cyprus...infact the Turks in Kurdistan too. The Turks have for a long time tried to eradicate other pre-dating cultures within its borders - using inhumane laws and treatment to do so. The Kurds want to upkeep their culture - they do not want to end up like the Greeks of Asia Minor - virtually non-existant at the hands of the Turks.

If you are a scientist, then i assume you do not believe that these are your "god given lands" and that humans do what they do -just like all other living things- in order to increase their chances of survival.

Lets hope the Kurds carry on doing what humans do to increase their chance of survival.

So where does your anti-Turkishness fit with in your biological awareness?

If a people have been oppressed for almost 1,000 years by another people - then of course the dislike of the oppressors is going to be inbred into society. Its common sense!

Out of everyone here, it is you who should be able to hold the most objective angle regardless of your race, but you seem to choose to play along, maybe you enjoy it, i personally do

Worthless to reply.

Shahmaran, you still didnt answer my previous post.

Oh another Enosis fan, great, just when i thought you were going extinct around here.

Why dont you speak when you are spoken to, or if you are going to invite yourself into a conversation, then at least try to stick to its context...

[phoenix]

You are avoiding my initial questions Phoenix which i would seriously like to know your opinion on, but yes you would be right only if you were right about us, which you are far from.

This island was not always Greek alone, and it will never be, you have proven to be just as deadly and offensive as the next person when given the chance over and over again through out history, on the other hand honesty and respect and similar moral values are thought of being nothing but heard mentality by some and are just a form of control humans preach so they can only turn around and fuck you, they should be handled with care because when it boils down to survival nothing else really matters and you have shown this to us many many times

Assimilation is what you always wanted in Cyprus and it is what you will NOT get, it should be obvious from history that Turks are allergic to it!

If you mean for me to say whether I think we are entitled to "god-given-lands" . . . nothing is god-given.

But a bird is entitled to its nest and that is Cyprus to the Cypriots.

It is Turkey that is the cuckoo . . . laying its eggs in other birds' nests.

[zan]

You are avoiding my initial questions Phoenix which i would seriously like to know your opinion on, but yes you would be right only if you were right about us, which you are far from.

This island was not always Greek alone, and it will never be, you have proven to be just as deadly and offensive as the next person when given the chance over and over again through out history, on the other hand honesty and respect and similar moral values are thought of being nothing but heard mentality by some and are just a form of control humans preach so they can only turn around and fuck you, they should be handled with care because when it boils down to survival nothing else really matters and you have shown this to us many many times

Assimilation is what you always wanted in Cyprus and it is what you will NOT get, it should be obvious from history that Turks are allergic to it!

If you mean for me to say whether I think we are entitled to "god-given-lands" . . . nothing is god-given.

But a bird is entitled to its nest and that is Cyprus to the Cypriots.

It is Turkey that is the cuckoo . . . laying its eggs in other birds' nests.

Greece was the Cuckoo and if that Turkey had not come when it did there would not be a single egg left in the nest.

[Nikitas]

Andreas Rodriguez Sanchez, would you ever buy a used car from a guy with a name like that? Let alone sink a few thousand pounds in property that he is touting!

He forgot to quoe the QC representing the RoC government of course, it just slipped his pen!

[boomerang]

You are avoiding my initial questions Phoenix which i would seriously like to know your opinion on, but yes you would be right only if you were right about us, which you are far from.

This island was not always Greek alone, and it will never be, you have proven to be just as deadly and offensive as the next person when given the chance over and over again through out history, on the other hand honesty and respect and similar moral values are thought of being nothing but heard mentality by some and are just a form of control humans preach so they can only turn around and fuck you, they should be handled with care because when it boils down to survival nothing else really matters and you have shown this to us many many times

Assimilation is what you always wanted in Cyprus and it is what you will NOT get, it should be obvious from history that Turks are allergic to it!

If you mean for me to say whether I think we are entitled to "god-given-lands" . . . nothing is god-given.

But a bird is entitled to its nest and that is Cyprus to the Cypriots.

It is Turkey that is the cuckoo . . . laying its eggs in other birds' nests.

Greece was the Cuckoo and if that Turkey had not come when it did there would not be a single egg left in the nest.

You seemed to forget that we fought against enosis, sunshine...Pity I can't say the same about you though...

[bilako22]

You seem to forget that in 1974 the anti-Enosis GCs lost the battle against the forces of Sampson . It was the intervention of Turkey that saved the day

[boomerang]

You seem to forget that in 1974 the anti-Enosis GCs lost the battle against the forces of Sampson . It was the intervention of Turkey that saved the day

Is that what they told you?...and your proof is?...

[RebelWithoutAPause]

These Turks are fucked in the head lol

[Nikitas]

"You seem to forget that in 1974 the anti-Enosis GCs lost the battle against the forces of Sampson . It was the intervention of Turkey that saved the day"

They barely managed to subdue the towns in the first 5 days. You rush to conclude that the junta prevailed, forgetting that 200 badly armed EOKA fighters kept 40 000 British elite troops tied down for four years. Given the chance the junta would have come to a sad end in Cyprus. They knew that, the junta guys, and that is why they had made a deal for partition and double union. But the Turks did not keep to the deal.

There is no document evidence of this yet, but all the actions during the first phase of the invasion shout out "deal". The ceasefire lines that had been agreed upon had not all been achieved by the Turkish army, and Greek officers ORDERED the Cypriot national guardsmen to RETREAT wherever necessary to stick to those agreed lines. These and other bits of evidence show that the there was a deal.

So my friend the coming of the Turkish army did not save anyone in Cyprus. It hastened the downfall of the junta in Greece, but in Cyprus it killed thousands. Bulent Ecevit himself said in an interview with a Turkish newspaper that in the second phase of invasion they killed 4500 people. And we should realise that after the military collapse in August 14 and 15 most of these 4500 were civilians in the Karpasia region. Read the Sunday Times reports from September 1974, they will enlighten you.

[Nikitas]

Sampson's forces. There were no Sampson's forces. Once the junta took over the towns they were looking for a Cypriot to appoint as president. Clerides flatly refused, so did Triantafyllides the Chief Justice, and having run out of choices they appointed Sampson. He was not part of the junta. He was the wrong man at the right time.