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[phoenix]

This is interesting


Northern Cyprus becomes latest property hotspot

Northern Cyprus is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean

© Andreas Rodriguez Sanchez
21st December 2007Simon Henson, a property investment specialist, talks about purchasing property in Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish north of this sun-drenched Mediterranean island is blessed with miles and miles of stunning coastline, secluded beaches, friendly people and a relaxed way of life long since forgotten in other parts of Europe.

But more importantly to astute property investors it is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean and North Cyprus is now the most talked about hotspot in the Med - with over £2bn of foreign investment pouring in over the last two years.

However, a cloud has appeared on the otherwise clear blue Cypriot horizon. Greek Cypriots who claim they were displaced from property in the north thirty years ago - when Turkey invaded to protect Turkish Cypriots who were caught up in the military coup orchestrated by Greek generals in Athens - say that much of the land in the north is theirs and they want it back.

To achieve this, a handful of them have sought reinstatement through court orders in the southern, Greek controlled areas. To date a small number of Turkish Cypriots and one British woman have been summonsed to appear before the southern courts.

The aim of the court orders is not to get enforcement in the Turkish north of the island - this is impossible as the north has a separate legal system and does not recognise Greek Cypriot jurisdiction there - instead they are attempting to get access to foreign buyers’ assets in the EU by using a mechanism that - in theory - allows judgements made in one EU country to be enforced in another.

So, do these actions have any legal validity and is it safe to buy in north Cyprus? And if there is nothing to worry about why all the fuss?
European Property Association of Northern Cyprus (EUPRO), an organisation representing foreign property owners' rights in Cyprus, brushes aside the legal arguments as "scaremongering".

Donald Crawford QC, who is a legal expert and spokesman for EUPRO says that the legal action is politically motivated and orchestrated by the Greek Cypriot government in an attempt to damage the north's booming economy. He says that for various reasons the legal argument is hopelessly flawed and that the Greek Cypriot government stands more chance of appearing in the dock itself than any property purchasers.
"We have been here before, with their scaremongering claims about enforcing judgments against property in Britain, for example, and we know what damage they did with that in press stories," said Mr Crawford.

"The aim…is to frighten off buyers and weaken the north’s property market. That is the real purpose here - propaganda. So the more people know about the reality of these EU laws the better. Unfortunately there is nothing one can do to stop them coming up with these malicious and petty legal scams. But they are no more than that. Think of them as wasps. Damned nuisance, but you don’t abandon lunch. You swat them."

http://www.999today.com/propertyandreal ... 33502.html

oh come on man! i thought you were more sensible than that! i`m dissapointed in you

Dinos, there is a perfectly good reason for my post. I wanted to bring the property issue to your attention once again. I think the responses prove beyond doubt that it has had the desired affect.

My message is loud and clear, the property boom may have slowed down a touch due to GC efforts in scaring potential buyers of legal problems in the future. The article clearly encourages the sale of GC property. So Dinos, don't you think it is time for the RoC to take some positive steps in preventing more sales of your properties? Shouldn't Papad take his head out of his own backside and start some meaningful negotiation with Talat to protect the properties of innocent GCs?

I don't have to convince anybody of my intentions for the post but contrary to what you guys may believe it was posted with the best of intentions, it is a WAKE UP call to you all.

Phoenix, this sleazebag was not endorsing the sale of GC properties, merely bringing it to your attention.

My dream home is built on TC land and paid for with hard earned cash. I have not made a single penny out of GC land nor have I benefited from the GC losses. I genuinely sympathise with all those that are at a loss and want to see a just and meaningful end to their misery.

As you know, I don't believe your sentiments . . . but that's another story.

Still, you take over half the country, you prevent the RoC from governing with the presence of 40,000 bloodthirsty Turkish troops, and then you say you are just letting us know what you are doing with the property of the people you have forcefully removed from their ancestral homes

What were you planning to do with so much Land in the first place?

Why did you steal it, if it is now surplus, and it is being sold or given to settlers?

Don't tell us you are just letting us know what is happening. It is not a passive event. You are doing it! You are selling other peoples homes!

Take responsibility!

If you own a house there, then YOU are responsible, and YOU endorse the illegalities of what is being practiced up there.

So don't act innocent with me. You are as guilty as anybody else living in the "trnc".

Otherwise . . . GIVE IT BACK!

[MR-from-NG]

This is interesting


Northern Cyprus becomes latest property hotspot

Northern Cyprus is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean

© Andreas Rodriguez Sanchez
21st December 2007Simon Henson, a property investment specialist, talks about purchasing property in Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish north of this sun-drenched Mediterranean island is blessed with miles and miles of stunning coastline, secluded beaches, friendly people and a relaxed way of life long since forgotten in other parts of Europe.

But more importantly to astute property investors it is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean and North Cyprus is now the most talked about hotspot in the Med - with over £2bn of foreign investment pouring in over the last two years.

However, a cloud has appeared on the otherwise clear blue Cypriot horizon. Greek Cypriots who claim they were displaced from property in the north thirty years ago - when Turkey invaded to protect Turkish Cypriots who were caught up in the military coup orchestrated by Greek generals in Athens - say that much of the land in the north is theirs and they want it back.

To achieve this, a handful of them have sought reinstatement through court orders in the southern, Greek controlled areas. To date a small number of Turkish Cypriots and one British woman have been summonsed to appear before the southern courts.

The aim of the court orders is not to get enforcement in the Turkish north of the island - this is impossible as the north has a separate legal system and does not recognise Greek Cypriot jurisdiction there - instead they are attempting to get access to foreign buyers’ assets in the EU by using a mechanism that - in theory - allows judgements made in one EU country to be enforced in another.

So, do these actions have any legal validity and is it safe to buy in north Cyprus? And if there is nothing to worry about why all the fuss?
European Property Association of Northern Cyprus (EUPRO), an organisation representing foreign property owners' rights in Cyprus, brushes aside the legal arguments as "scaremongering".

Donald Crawford QC, who is a legal expert and spokesman for EUPRO says that the legal action is politically motivated and orchestrated by the Greek Cypriot government in an attempt to damage the north's booming economy. He says that for various reasons the legal argument is hopelessly flawed and that the Greek Cypriot government stands more chance of appearing in the dock itself than any property purchasers.
"We have been here before, with their scaremongering claims about enforcing judgments against property in Britain, for example, and we know what damage they did with that in press stories," said Mr Crawford.

"The aim…is to frighten off buyers and weaken the north’s property market. That is the real purpose here - propaganda. So the more people know about the reality of these EU laws the better. Unfortunately there is nothing one can do to stop them coming up with these malicious and petty legal scams. But they are no more than that. Think of them as wasps. Damned nuisance, but you don’t abandon lunch. You swat them."

http://www.999today.com/propertyandreal ... 33502.html

oh come on man! i thought you were more sensible than that! i`m dissapointed in you

Dinos, there is a perfectly good reason for my post. I wanted to bring the property issue to your attention once again. I think the responses prove beyond doubt that it has had the desired affect.

My message is loud and clear, the property boom may have slowed down a touch due to GC efforts in scaring potential buyers of legal problems in the future. The article clearly encourages the sale of GC property. So Dinos, don't you think it is time for the RoC to take some positive steps in preventing more sales of your properties? Shouldn't Papad take his head out of his own backside and start some meaningful negotiation with Talat to protect the properties of innocent GCs?

I don't have to convince anybody of my intentions for the post but contrary to what you guys may believe it was posted with the best of intentions, it is a WAKE UP call to you all.

Phoenix, this sleazebag was not endorsing the sale of GC properties, merely bringing it to your attention.

My dream home is built on TC land and paid for with hard earned cash. I have not made a single penny out of GC land nor have I benefited from the GC losses. I genuinely sympathise with all those that are at a loss and want to see a just and meaningful end to their misery.

As you know, I don't believe your sentiments . . . but that's another story.

Still, you take over half the country, you prevent the RoC from governing with the presence of 40,000 bloodthirsty Turkish troops, and then you say you are just letting us know what you are doing with the property of the people you have forcefully removed from their ancestral homes

What were you planning to do with so much Land in the first place?

Why did you steal it, if it is now surplus, and it is being sold or given to settlers?

Don't tell us you are just letting us know what is happening. It is not a passive event. You are doing it! You are selling other peoples homes!

Take responsibility!

If you own a house there, then YOU are responsible, and YOU endorse the illegalities of what is being practiced up there.

So don't act innocent with me. You are as guilty as anybody else living in the "trnc".

Otherwise . . . GIVE IT BACK!

I don't give a damn whether you believe my sentiments or not, the important thing here is that my conscience is clear.

the 40000 troops have proven to you and the rest of the world that they are not bloodthirsty, their duty is to protect the TCs, the fact that there has been no violence since they landed on the island is living proof of this.

Yes my post is letting you know what is happening to your properties, had you had a functioning government instead of a corrupt bunch of ex EOKA terrorists you may not have had the property problem that you have today.

The 74 peace operation divided the island as it is today, the amount of land we occupy is subject to negotiations, negotiations at which your terrorist president is failing at miserably.

My house is in the TRNC, I live in the TRNC and am proud to be a subject of the TRNC.

Give you back what? I cant give you jack-shit. Form a proper government, not the Mickey Mouse outfit that you have today and start negotiations with the TRNC, you may have a chance of claiming back something then.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

This is interesting


Northern Cyprus becomes latest property hotspot

Northern Cyprus is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean

© Andreas Rodriguez Sanchez
21st December 2007Simon Henson, a property investment specialist, talks about purchasing property in Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish north of this sun-drenched Mediterranean island is blessed with miles and miles of stunning coastline, secluded beaches, friendly people and a relaxed way of life long since forgotten in other parts of Europe.

But more importantly to astute property investors it is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean and North Cyprus is now the most talked about hotspot in the Med - with over £2bn of foreign investment pouring in over the last two years.

However, a cloud has appeared on the otherwise clear blue Cypriot horizon. Greek Cypriots who claim they were displaced from property in the north thirty years ago - when Turkey invaded to protect Turkish Cypriots who were caught up in the military coup orchestrated by Greek generals in Athens - say that much of the land in the north is theirs and they want it back.

To achieve this, a handful of them have sought reinstatement through court orders in the southern, Greek controlled areas. To date a small number of Turkish Cypriots and one British woman have been summonsed to appear before the southern courts.

The aim of the court orders is not to get enforcement in the Turkish north of the island - this is impossible as the north has a separate legal system and does not recognise Greek Cypriot jurisdiction there - instead they are attempting to get access to foreign buyers’ assets in the EU by using a mechanism that - in theory - allows judgements made in one EU country to be enforced in another.

So, do these actions have any legal validity and is it safe to buy in north Cyprus? And if there is nothing to worry about why all the fuss?
European Property Association of Northern Cyprus (EUPRO), an organisation representing foreign property owners' rights in Cyprus, brushes aside the legal arguments as "scaremongering".

Donald Crawford QC, who is a legal expert and spokesman for EUPRO says that the legal action is politically motivated and orchestrated by the Greek Cypriot government in an attempt to damage the north's booming economy. He says that for various reasons the legal argument is hopelessly flawed and that the Greek Cypriot government stands more chance of appearing in the dock itself than any property purchasers.
"We have been here before, with their scaremongering claims about enforcing judgments against property in Britain, for example, and we know what damage they did with that in press stories," said Mr Crawford.

"The aim…is to frighten off buyers and weaken the north’s property market. That is the real purpose here - propaganda. So the more people know about the reality of these EU laws the better. Unfortunately there is nothing one can do to stop them coming up with these malicious and petty legal scams. But they are no more than that. Think of them as wasps. Damned nuisance, but you don’t abandon lunch. You swat them."

http://www.999today.com/propertyandreal ... 33502.html

oh come on man! i thought you were more sensible than that! i`m dissapointed in you

Dinos, there is a perfectly good reason for my post. I wanted to bring the property issue to your attention once again. I think the responses prove beyond doubt that it has had the desired affect.

My message is loud and clear, the property boom may have slowed down a touch due to GC efforts in scaring potential buyers of legal problems in the future. The article clearly encourages the sale of GC property. So Dinos, don't you think it is time for the RoC to take some positive steps in preventing more sales of your properties? Shouldn't Papad take his head out of his own backside and start some meaningful negotiation with Talat to protect the properties of innocent GCs?

I don't have to convince anybody of my intentions for the post but contrary to what you guys may believe it was posted with the best of intentions, it is a WAKE UP call to you all.

Phoenix, this sleazebag was not endorsing the sale of GC properties, merely bringing it to your attention.

My dream home is built on TC land and paid for with hard earned cash. I have not made a single penny out of GC land nor have I benefited from the GC losses. I genuinely sympathise with all those that are at a loss and want to see a just and meaningful end to their misery.

glad to hear from you cuz!
do you really believe that t pap is not doing his best then? and even if he isnt dont you honestly in your heart of hearts believe that ankara makes it a very hard if not impossible task? i mean take the previous administrations, were not denktash and clerides best lifelong friends schooled together and everything! if they couldnt sort it between them as friends what makes you think that t pap can do anything? take it from me between ankara, washington,london,and brussels, shit cant get sorted cos the powers that be dont want a JUST solution! the difference is that we cypriots shouldnt play into their hands and give them exactly what they want, which is what we have been doing for years now! remember devide and rule! thats the anglo-american way, what more proof do you want! united cypriots should be saying NO to turkish and english troops on our land

[RebelWithoutAPause]

I don't give a damn whether you believe my sentiments or not, the important thing here is that my conscience is clear.

the 40000 troops have proven to you and the rest of the world that they are not bloodthirsty, their duty is to protect the TCs, the fact that there has been no violence since they landed on the island is living proof of this.

hahaha The whole WORLD is starting to realise how bloodthirsty the Turkish military is. From the problem with the Kurds, from its history of genocide against the Armenians and from its invasion of Cyprus and raping of woman and looting of properties. We ALL know about the Turkish military - its just moron Turks such as yourself who are so brainwashed by your facism youve been brought up with.

Yes my post is letting you know what is happening to your properties, had you had a functioning government instead of a corrupt bunch of ex EOKA terrorists you may not have had the property problem that you have today.

Obviously your lack of knowledge shows that you do not have an insight into ex-British colonies and the problems often left when granted with conditional independence. You also show a lack of insight into the problems the Turkish government and Tukish Cypriot terrorists instigated into creating divisions amongst the communities of Cyprus (yes the Turks started the innocent killings of Greek Cypriots first) for their segregation and ethnic cleansing cause.

The 74 peace operation divided the island as it is today, the amount of land we occupy is subject to negotiations, negotiations at which your terrorist president is failing at miserably.

Get it right - the 1974 INVASION (thats what the world callsit) is a result of Turkish aggression and land grabbing. When you say 'negotiations' - what you REALLY mean to say is 'ransom demands'.

My house is in the TRNC, I live in the TRNC and am proud to be a subject of the TRNC.

Keep kidding yourself about the so called 'TRNC'. Turkey will be carved up in the next 10 years and the north of Cyprus will go back to the Cypriots.

Give you back what? I cant give you jack-shit. Form a proper government, not the Mickey Mouse outfit that you have today and start negotiations with the TRNC, you may have a chance of claiming back something then.

HA! He calls the government that is a part of the EU a mickey mouse government! hahahaha...while the rest of the world doesnt recognise the 'TRNC government' which is run by the Turkish military. What a funny guy you are.

[MR-from-NG]

I don't give a damn whether you believe my sentiments or not, the important thing here is that my conscience is clear.

the 40000 troops have proven to you and the rest of the world that they are not bloodthirsty, their duty is to protect the TCs, the fact that there has been no violence since they landed on the island is living proof of this.

hahaha The whole WORLD is starting to realise how bloodthirsty the Turkish military is. From the problem with the Kurds, from its history of genocide against the Armenians and from its invasion of Cyprus and raping of woman and looting of properties. We ALL know about the Turkish military - its just moron Turks such as yourself who are so brainwashed by your facism youve been brought up with.

Yes my post is letting you know what is happening to your properties, had you had a functioning government instead of a corrupt bunch of ex EOKA terrorists you may not have had the property problem that you have today.

Obviously your lack of knowledge shows that you do not have an insight into ex-British colonies and the problems often left when granted with conditional independence. You also show a lack of insight into the problems the Turkish government and Tukish Cypriot terrorists instigated into creating divisions amongst the communities of Cyprus (yes the Turks started the innocent killings of Greek Cypriots first) for their segregation and ethnic cleansing cause.

The 74 peace operation divided the island as it is today, the amount of land we occupy is subject to negotiations, negotiations at which your terrorist president is failing at miserably.

Get it right - the 1974 INVASION (thats what the world callsit) is a result of Turkish aggression and land grabbing. When you say 'negotiations' - what you REALLY mean to say is 'ransom demands'.

My house is in the TRNC, I live in the TRNC and am proud to be a subject of the TRNC.

Keep kidding yourself about the so called 'TRNC'. Turkey will be carved up in the next 10 years and the north of Cyprus will go back to the Cypriots.

Give you back what? I cant give you jack-shit. Form a proper government, not the Mickey Mouse outfit that you have today and start negotiations with the TRNC, you may have a chance of claiming back something then.

HA! He calls the government that is a part of the EU a mickey mouse government! hahahaha...while the rest of the world doesnt recognise the 'TRNC government' which is run by the Turkish military. What a funny guy you are.

Well, what can I say rebelwithoutabrain, roll on 2017 Just so that you know, you are even funnier than me

[phoenix]

This is interesting


Northern Cyprus becomes latest property hotspot

Northern Cyprus is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean

© Andreas Rodriguez Sanchez
21st December 2007Simon Henson, a property investment specialist, talks about purchasing property in Northern Cyprus.

The Turkish north of this sun-drenched Mediterranean island is blessed with miles and miles of stunning coastline, secluded beaches, friendly people and a relaxed way of life long since forgotten in other parts of Europe.

But more importantly to astute property investors it is blessed with property prices far below comparable destinations in the Mediterranean and North Cyprus is now the most talked about hotspot in the Med - with over £2bn of foreign investment pouring in over the last two years.

However, a cloud has appeared on the otherwise clear blue Cypriot horizon. Greek Cypriots who claim they were displaced from property in the north thirty years ago - when Turkey invaded to protect Turkish Cypriots who were caught up in the military coup orchestrated by Greek generals in Athens - say that much of the land in the north is theirs and they want it back.

To achieve this, a handful of them have sought reinstatement through court orders in the southern, Greek controlled areas. To date a small number of Turkish Cypriots and one British woman have been summonsed to appear before the southern courts.

The aim of the court orders is not to get enforcement in the Turkish north of the island - this is impossible as the north has a separate legal system and does not recognise Greek Cypriot jurisdiction there - instead they are attempting to get access to foreign buyers’ assets in the EU by using a mechanism that - in theory - allows judgements made in one EU country to be enforced in another.

So, do these actions have any legal validity and is it safe to buy in north Cyprus? And if there is nothing to worry about why all the fuss?
European Property Association of Northern Cyprus (EUPRO), an organisation representing foreign property owners' rights in Cyprus, brushes aside the legal arguments as "scaremongering".

Donald Crawford QC, who is a legal expert and spokesman for EUPRO says that the legal action is politically motivated and orchestrated by the Greek Cypriot government in an attempt to damage the north's booming economy. He says that for various reasons the legal argument is hopelessly flawed and that the Greek Cypriot government stands more chance of appearing in the dock itself than any property purchasers.
"We have been here before, with their scaremongering claims about enforcing judgments against property in Britain, for example, and we know what damage they did with that in press stories," said Mr Crawford.

"The aim…is to frighten off buyers and weaken the north’s property market. That is the real purpose here - propaganda. So the more people know about the reality of these EU laws the better. Unfortunately there is nothing one can do to stop them coming up with these malicious and petty legal scams. But they are no more than that. Think of them as wasps. Damned nuisance, but you don’t abandon lunch. You swat them."

http://www.999today.com/propertyandreal ... 33502.html

oh come on man! i thought you were more sensible than that! i`m dissapointed in you

Dinos, there is a perfectly good reason for my post. I wanted to bring the property issue to your attention once again. I think the responses prove beyond doubt that it has had the desired affect.

My message is loud and clear, the property boom may have slowed down a touch due to GC efforts in scaring potential buyers of legal problems in the future. The article clearly encourages the sale of GC property. So Dinos, don't you think it is time for the RoC to take some positive steps in preventing more sales of your properties? Shouldn't Papad take his head out of his own backside and start some meaningful negotiation with Talat to protect the properties of innocent GCs?

I don't have to convince anybody of my intentions for the post but contrary to what you guys may believe it was posted with the best of intentions, it is a WAKE UP call to you all.

Phoenix, this sleazebag was not endorsing the sale of GC properties, merely bringing it to your attention.

My dream home is built on TC land and paid for with hard earned cash. I have not made a single penny out of GC land nor have I benefited from the GC losses. I genuinely sympathise with all those that are at a loss and want to see a just and meaningful end to their misery.

As you know, I don't believe your sentiments . . . but that's another story.

Still, you take over half the country, you prevent the RoC from governing with the presence of 40,000 bloodthirsty Turkish troops, and then you say you are just letting us know what you are doing with the property of the people you have forcefully removed from their ancestral homes

What were you planning to do with so much Land in the first place?

Why did you steal it, if it is now surplus, and it is being sold or given to settlers?

Don't tell us you are just letting us know what is happening. It is not a passive event. You are doing it! You are selling other peoples homes!

Take responsibility!

If you own a house there, then YOU are responsible, and YOU endorse the illegalities of what is being practiced up there.

So don't act innocent with me. You are as guilty as anybody else living in the "trnc".

Otherwise . . . GIVE IT BACK!

I don't give a damn whether you believe my sentiments or not, the important thing here is that my conscience is clear.

the 40000 troops have proven to you and the rest of the world that they are not bloodthirsty, their duty is to protect the TCs, the fact that there has been no violence since they landed on the island is living proof of this.

Yes my post is letting you know what is happening to your properties, had you had a functioning government instead of a corrupt bunch of ex EOKA terrorists you may not have had the property problem that you have today.

The 74 peace operation divided the island as it is today, the amount of land we occupy is subject to negotiations, negotiations at which your terrorist president is failing at miserably.

My house is in the TRNC, I live in the TRNC and am proud to be a subject of the TRNC.

Give you back what? I cant give you jack-shit. Form a proper government, not the Mickey Mouse outfit that you have today and start negotiations with the TRNC, you may have a chance of claiming back something then.

Your conscience is clear because you are incapable of morality.

The braying sycophant is telling us our government is failing to govern in the "trnc", when it is by the very act of your motherland's invasion that they are PREVENTED from exercising their legal right to govern the whole of Cyprus.

So what are you preaching? Empty sentiments of concern whilst all the while giving home to Turks that gun down and beat up innocent GCs that cross into your "homeland".

You are preventing the government of the RoC from halting any of these criminal acts in the north.

If you are so concerned . . . get rid of the TURKS!

[phoenix]

Whats so interesting. More British parasites spreading propaganda so they can sell what doesnt belong to them in the north.

Very good - you know how to embolden words!

RebelWithoutAPause, welcome, you have a worthwhile cause

[Bill]

Now here's a interesting slant on this .

I found out the other day that a Turkish family will be returning to their larnaca home in our street ~ its been empty since the death of the previous GC refugee occupant.

Whilst I'm all for greater integration from the apparent big divide I'm wondering now if the family moving back were given replacement and dodgy deeds to a GC property as well as reclaiming their old home ~ have they sold the previously GC property and now moving back ~ they have apparently been and changed the locks on the house so it looks like the move may be soon.

There are lots of questions I don't have the answer to regarding the legalities of a TC moving back .

I find it so disappointing that TC's can move back with what seems apparent ease to properties held for them pending a solution and yet GC's cant get back what was ( and still is ) theirs.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to the legalities either way because something doesn't seem right to me.

Bill

[shahmaran]

I think Rebelwithoutapause is Piratis in disguise, another racist Greek knucklehead to join us, wowo!!

There is just no shortage of these morons, what do you guys do, mass produce them or something?

[phoenix]

Bill that is precisely the crux of the fact that the Turks have ethnically cleansed the north of GCs and they are not allowed back.

On the other hand the RoC has never carried out such illegalities on the TCs, which is why they can just move back.