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[insan]

Ok, so murders against Turks are ethnic cleansing, but killing 6000 GCs and forcing 200.000 to flee their homes and become refugees is not. Ok...

You have mixed up the terminology and the kinds of different crimes. Nobody said that murders of TCs and GCs during the intercomunal conflict were things less criminal. But ethnic cleansing is something else. It is what you did.

Piratis you are confusing the ones who lost their lives during the defence of coup and Greek invaders with the ones who lost their lives during the resistance against Enosists. In 1974 Turkish army and TC combatants fought against the coupists and the national guard who were under command of Greek invaders.

[Deejay]

Ok, so murders against Turks are ethnic cleansing, but killing 6000 GCs and forcing 200.000 to flee their homes and become refugees is not. Ok...

You have mixed up the terminology and the kinds of different crimes. Nobody said that murders of TCs and GCs during the intercomunal conflict were things less criminal. But ethnic cleansing is something else. It is what you did.

Piratis,

The Turkish Cypriots did not raid towns and round up the males and kill them and rape women before 1974. It was the Greeks that did this.

These actions by the Greek Cypriots invited Turkey to the island.
I'm not saying that the Turkish army were angels on the island, it is hard to justify the actions of all Turkish soldiers. It is also hard to justify the actions of a Turkish Soldier on behalf of the whole Turkish army. Just like in Iraq, there would be soldiers that go the extra step at times and this is WRONG.

What I will note is that the Turkish army did not round up children, women and families and bury them alive in mass graves such as in Atillalar, Sandallar and Murataga as Greek Cypriot Antonis A (Documentary Maker) has shown the world.

The Greek Cypriots that were killed put up resistance against the Turkish army. Just like the Iraqi civilians that do today in Iraq and unfortunately lose their lives.

Piratis you cannot compare the actions of EOKA while the Greek Cypriots sat back and watched their so called 'Cypriot brothers, the Turks' get killed. The ones that sat back and watched are just as guilty if not more.

My family was saved by a Greek Cypriot friend who brought them to the green line. We later found out he was killed for helping Turkish Cypriots. This is a true martyr.

[Piratis]

Some TCs left because they were forced by GCs (true), but some others left because they were directed by the TC leaders to do so because this served their plans for partition.

In any case, if your parents were between those that were forced to leave, I will never come to justify such thing calling it a "peace operation". It was a crime, that it is regognized, and your parents should be able to return to their home (after 68 the conflicts were mostly over, and if the TCs that wanted could return to their homes).

[Deejay]

Piratis how can you return to your home when you dont feel secure? Turkish and Greek Cyriots were dying until 1974...?

My family had bullets flying across their backyard..that isn't a safe environment

[garbitsch]

Some TCs left because they were forced by GCs (true), but some others left because they were directed by the TC leaders to do so because this served their plans for partition.

In any case, if your parents were between those that were forced to leave, I will never come to justify such thing calling it a "peace operation". It was a crime, that it is regognized, and your parents should be able to return to their home (after 68 the conflicts were mostly over, and if the TCs that wanted could return to their homes).

Piratis, they couldn't go back, since the houses were inhabited by Greek Cypriots. Besides, my parents were scared to reclaim their homes. Well, they got them back after 74. Some advocates say that we can ask the RoC govt to compensate the years that my parents are kept away from their home. But we cannot prove this, since the house is in North now.

[insan]

Some TCs left because they were forced by GCs (true), but some others left because they were directed by the TC leaders to do so because this served their plans for partition.

In any case, if your parents were between those that were forced to leave, I will never come to justify such thing calling it a "peace operation". It was a crime, that it is regognized, and your parents should be able to return to their home (after 68 the conflicts were mostly over, and if the TCs that wanted could return to their homes).

Piratis, in 1967-74 period most of the TCs returned to their homes not because they felt themselves secure about the ultra-nationalist GCs and national guard that was under control of fascist Grivas. they returned to their homes because they had to return. It wasn't easy for them to live in enclaves under bad circumstances. Despite the prevention attempts of TMT and fear of being killed by GC ultra-nationalists most of them returned to their homes. When they returned to they homes, they saw that msot of their belongings were looted some of their GC neighbours. Some of the TCs even couldn't find their homes because they weere ruined bu irregular GC bands and national guard under command of fascist Grivas.

[Piratis]

The Turkish Cypriots did not raid towns and round up the males and kill them and rape women before 1974. It was the Greeks that did this.

Do you actually believe what you say??? There are videos and photos and testimonies of not just GCs but foreigners (like UN soldiers) that show what the Turks did during the invasion!!

You propaganda atempt is truly limitless.

The GCs suffered from the Turks 100 times more than the other way around. Sure, you can say about your suffering for 1-2 decades. However we can talk about centuries of oppresion by the Turks.

You can talk about some 100s TCs that were murdered, true. But we had 1000s of dead. There is simply no comparison.

As we say, "the donkey said that the rooster has a big head"!

[garbitsch]

The Turkish Cypriots did not raid towns and round up the males and kill them and rape women before 1974. It was the Greeks that did this.

Do you actually believe what you say??? There are videos and photos and testimonies of not just GCs but foreigners (like UN soldiers) that show what the Turks did during the invasion!!

You propaganda atempt is truly limitless.

The GCs suffered from the Turks 100 times more than the other way around. Sure, you can say about your suffering for 1-2 decades. However we can talk about centuries of oppresion by the Turks.

You can talk about some 100s TCs that were murdered, true. But we had 1000s of dead. There is simply no comparison.

As we say, "the donkey said that the rooster has a big head"!

Let's play the game according to your rules: Do soldiers count in your statistics?
Centuries of oppression by the Turks: Errm, ok you are showing your real face now! How about the oppression of the Turks in Aegean islands (especially in Crete) and in West Anatolia during the Greek occupation?

[Deejay]

and who's fault was all of this?

EOKA my friend...they openly invited Turkey to Cyprus, while the Greeks in Cyprus and Greece didn't say a word.

What do you expect to happen in a war? Do you expect cannons to blow out bouqets of flowers?


Thousands of mainland Turkish troops also died just as they set foot on the shores of Cyprus. This is a war it is expected.

This was the reason whyTurkey tried for 11 years 1963 - 1974 to settle the issue. To prevent all these deaths. Don't forget how Turkey used scare tactics by flying jets over Cyprus to calm down EOKA.

The good old saying "When the Cat is away, the mouse will play"

[Piratis]

Centuries of oppression by the Turks: Errm, ok you are showing your real face now! How about the oppression of the Turks in Aegean islands (especially in Crete) and in West Anatolia during the Greek occupation?

I am talking about Cyprus. But even if you count it like that, you will see that Greeks in general were oppressed a lot more by Turks than the other way around. I am not saying that there were no occasions that Turks or TCs were oppressed. I am simply saying that the amount of oppressions and the time that it lasted is simply not comparable.

You can not pretend to be the angel victims that now have to be rewarded on the expense of the evil GCs.