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There are plenty of sensible people like me and Bananiot on this side

Everybody believes himself to be sensible, isn't it Cymart? It doesn't mean that you are sensible just because you think you are.

In fact apart from mud and slogans against Papadopoulos I have never seen you capable of holding a debate on the issues themselves. If you where sensible then you should have had sensible arguments. The argument: "Lets just accept what the British and Turks want so I can get my wife's property and screw Cyprus" is not enough to give to you any "sensibility awards".

This is also applicable to yourself, you think you are always right but this doesn't automatically mean that you are, we to want a solution but not at any cost, we will not be reduced to the minority status you see fit for us, the current situation can continue forever or of course until that swing in power goes your way, never forget it could always go further the other way, obviously you are willing to take that chance.

[Piratis]

This is also applicable to yourself, you think you are always right but this doesn't automatically mean that you are

No it doesn't, but the difference with me is that I can support my arguments, I don't just throw slogans and mud around.

we to want a solution but not at any cost

Who ever asked from you to have any cost? Or you count giving back what you stole and you illegally keep as a "cost"?
The problem is exactly the opposite: That you will not accept a solution unless you have huge gains on our loss. And the gains you want are so much that make a real solution impossible, since if we were going to accept your demands not only our problem would not be solved but it would become even bigger.

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Piratis

No it doesn't, but the difference with me is that I can support my arguments, I don't just throw slogans and mud around.

Again thats what you think doesnt make it a reality, you spout out propaganda and a brain washed mentality just as bad or even worse than most on this forum.

Who ever asked from you to have any cost? Or you count giving back what you stole and you illegally keep as a "cost"?
The problem is exactly the opposite: That you will not accept a solution unless you have huge gains on our loss. And the gains you want are so much that make a real solution impossible, since if we were going to accept your demands not only our problem would not be solved but it would become even bigger.

You cannot steal what is already yours, we to have rights to this island just as much as you, the fact that we could not share everything together does not give me any less right. I will not accept a solution that will give you the right to do as you wish as my expense, I want the right to say no when my community is going to be effect more negatively than yours or we will only have a repeat of the past. We do not trust GCs one inch so the necessary structure has to be in place to deter and stop you from doing as you wish.

[Piratis]

Again thats what you think doesnt make it a reality, you spout out propaganda and a brain washed mentality just as bad or even worse than most on this forum.

See VP, this is the difference between me and you. I support what I say, you just make baseless claims. If you think what I say is propaganda then prove me wrong.

You cannot steal what is already yours, we to have rights to this island just as much as you, the fact that we could not share everything together does not give me any less right. I will not accept a solution that will give you the right to do as you wish as my expense, I want the right to say no when my community is going to be effect more negatively than yours or we will only have a repeat of the past. We do not trust GCs one inch so the necessary structure has to be in place to deter and stop you from doing as you wish.

And since when the properties of the 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots are yours? 4/5ths of what you keep is stolen dear VP, and there is no question about it.

I know what you will accept and what you will not very well. You will accept nothing short of a disguised partition that will give you the absolute control of the north part of our country.

The point here is that what you want is in fact gains on our loss and not what you legally own. So don't tell me that you will not accept a solution "at any cost", just admit that you will not accept a solution unless you get the huge gains on our loss which you demand.

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Piratis

See VP, this is the difference between me and you. I support what I say, you just make baseless claims. If you think what I say is propaganda then prove me wrong.

You claim you support what you say, that's how you see it because that's what you want to believe doesn't make it right. What you put forward is propaganda according to your own side and you have been put through a GC education system which deems you brainwashed if you like it or not.

And since when the properties of the 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots are yours? 4/5ths of what you keep is stolen dear VP, and there is no question about it.
I know what you will accept and what you will not very well. You will accept nothing short of a disguised partition that will give you the absolute control of the north part of our country.

The point here is that what you want is in fact gains on our loss and not what you legally own. So don't tell me that you will not accept a solution "at any cost", just admit that you will not accept a solution unless you get the huge gains on our loss which you demand.

You have mine from 1963 and 1974 what your problem is and what you cant swallow is that we have more than what you think is our "fair share", well in times of crisis you never know how the axe will fall the trick is not to allow that axe to fall Piratis.

As I have said before I have nothing against GCs getting their property rights back just as soon as they have nothing against my community being an equal partner where we are not pushed to one side have an effective say in our own future. The transition period can be a level playing field where everything you see fit for yourselves you can also allow the north, people can roam and settle where ever they wish and live under their chosen administrations. How about it?

[michalis5354]

This man is very sincere indeed. He wasted 5 years with nothing to propose regarding the occupation and he comes suddenly as an Eishtein to propose a step forward. The fact is that the statues guo fits his agenda very well.

The man does not favour the real ROC Constitution what is the likelihood he will back a BBF solution in the future? If he is re elected I have no doubt that he will spend another 5 idle years as fas as the CY problem is concerned.

I do not trust him because although solution is high on his agenda he does nothing to achieve it. I would trust him more If he stated clearly that he does not accept a BBF solution or even he does not favour the return to the ROC Constitution.

And If Turkey does not favour a settlement (for her own interest) this does not mean that he can sit back comfortably with no alternative plan to break the deadlock. Our policies are independent to those of Turkey , ( not dependent ) and POLITICS IS THE ART OF MAKING THINGS POSSIBLE.

[Piratis]

You claim you support what you say, that's how you see it because that's what you want to believe doesn't make it right. What you put forward is propaganda according to your own side and you have been put through a GC education system which deems you brainwashed if you like it or not.

Really?

So when I say that the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is against international law and in violation of UN resolutions I would be saying propaganda?

When when say that the so called "trnc" is illegal it would be propaganda?

When I say that Greek Cypriots own 4/5ths of what you currently illegally occupy and they have every right to take it back it would be propaganda?

If I say that the only legal state that exists in Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus and therefore on this island everybody should respect the laws of Republic of Cyprus it would be propaganda?

No dear VP. Unlike you, what I say is pure facts and each one of them can be supported by UN resolutions, ECHR rulings and hard facts that nobody can deny and have nothing to do with the "GC education system"

You have mine from 1963 and 1974 what your problem is and what you cant swallow is that we have more than what you think is our "fair share", well in times of crisis you never know how the axe will fall the trick is not to allow that axe to fall Piratis.

I don't keep anything that is yours by force. You left your properties here in order to take twice as many in what you stole from us. I have asked you many times: Give back the 100% of what you stole and you are more than welcome to take back what is yours, I am not a thief like you.

And don't threaten me with "axes", because you should be sure that the next will fall on you. The war that you started against Cyprus is not over and it will not be over until you give back everything that you took from us.

As I have said before I have nothing against GCs getting their property rights back just as soon as they have nothing against my community being an equal partner where we are not pushed to one side have an effective say in our own future. The transition period can be a level playing field where everything you see fit for yourselves you can also allow the north, people can roam and settle where ever they wish and live under their chosen administrations. How about it?

Cyprus belong to Cypriots. If you want to live under Turkish administration then yes you are free to move and settle in Turkey. No problem with that. But you have no right to keep land which belongs to GCs under your administration.

[Bananiot]

What is very annoying is that one can never be sure what the position of Papadopoulos is on the Cyprus issue. He says he supports BBF, but with the "right content". Most of his supporters, if not all, do not support BBF and some say publically that we should be looking for a new basis in any future negotiations. Some used to say that what is best is for the TC's to return to the RoC. Papadopoulos was one of many that disagreed with Zurich's Independent Cyprus and fought (literally) hard to destroy the Constitution that we got from the London - Zurich agreements. Some say that what we want is a solution that will be formulated along the principles of the European Union, whatever this means. The fact of the matter is that noone can say for sure what Papadopoulos is after. many can speculate but he gives fodder for thought by not clearing his position. Personally, I think Papadopoulos cannot get away from practices of the past, in the same way one cannot teach an old dog new tricks.

Papadopoulos has no credibility in the EU or the UN and recently he made things worse by siding with the Russians against the wishes of our skakeholders in EU. He is a dangerous man who plays the game of the 1960's in 2007-8 and probably has not realised that the cold war is over.

[Kikapu]

About this time five years ago, just before the Presidential elections back then, he filled the whole of Cyprus with huge posters of himself with the caption "I do solemnly promise to solve the Cyprus problem on the basis of the Annan Plan".

You can believe this man at your own peril!

Bananiot,

Let me ask you a simple question, if I may.

Let just say that PapaD never wanted a settlement under the AP, BBF and what ever else in proposals that may have came along while he has been the President. In 2004 when he pleaded with the GC's to say OXI to the AP, close to 70% GC's took his advice and also said OXI to the AP. Now that we have gone over 3 years since the OXI days of the 2004 AP, just what percentage of GC's today actually regret saying OXI to the AP back in 2004. If the answer is no difference to the percentage back in 2004, then I do not see how PapaD can lose this election. So please give us some figures as to what percentage of the GC's today would say "yes" to the AP as it was voted on in 2004. If there is no difference after 3 years since the GC's said "NO", then I do not see why the GC's would elect anyone else who may try to bring back the "old" AP or the BBF. Is anyone running for office talking about having a "True Federation" and not the BBF as it is more of a Confederation than anything else.

Thanks.

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