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[RebelWithoutAPause]

I can not tell if we are talking of the same photo. I am searching. If you have one handy, lets see. It may or may not be the same pic in question.

I think i know of the photo your searching for - its the one all Turkish Cypriots use to try and say that it shows Makarios with an EOKA member blessing a grenade.

Can I ask you something tho Deniz; you seem to be one of the few level headed Turkish Cypriots on this forum....but why do you believe such a wild accusation. Because there is something round shaped in the hand of Makarios in that picture - does it automatically mean its a grenade and he's blessing it??? lol...Ive seen the picture and you really cant make out what it is. Infact, I thought i could see a chain attached to the object so i thought it was some kind of religious pendulem.

If it was a grenade he must be crazy to have it in his hand in a crowd full of people. Grenades are meant to be thrown not held onto lol.

Good on you tho - you must be one of the very few Turkish Cypriots not to have that picture save to their hard disks to use as internet propaganda when needs be. Ask Zan tho...im sure he has it at hand.

[RebelWithoutAPause]

This is no joke. Santa Barbara is the protector of the Greek artillery. Saint Nicholas protects the Greek warships and the list goes on. Divine help has never harmed anyone, only our common sense ...

So your telling me that picture WAS of Makarios blessing a grenade? hahaha

Someone post the picture PLEASE.

[Bananiot]

It is quite common for priests to "bless" greek weapons before a fight. There is nothing strange in this and those that deny it perhaps its because they see the stupidity of this action.

[RebelWithoutAPause]

Bananiot, are you saying that picture IS of Makarios blessing a grenade? Do you have better eye sight than the rest of us or are you back to your old Greek hating tricks again?

[Bananiot]

Here is Palaion Patron Germanos blessing the Greek weapons in 1821.




All I am saying is that the practice of blessing arms is widespread in the Greek Orthodox world.

[phoenix]

Here is Palaion Patron Germanos blessing the Greek weapons in 1821.




All I am saying is that the practice of blessing arms is widespread in the Greek Orthodox world.

Not widespread and certainly NOT a common practice this Century.

Bananiot . . . never forget Cyprus is a secular country and whatever the Church may wish to do, is for them to decide and their followers to admonish.

The RoC certainly is not an advocate of such practices . . . .

. . . . Now, as for our neighbouring, headscarf wearing adversaries, such things may have some significance

[Bananiot]

Of course it is common practice phoenix. The excuse they find is that they bless the arms only for defensive wars.

We are certainly not like Iran here but we are a long way from a secular society, in practice that is. The other day they brought some bones from some "saint" from Ayios Oros and the whole government went to the airport and the bones were given a head of state welcome. A guard of honour was in place too, made up of soldiers. The bones were then put on display in a church in Lakatameia and when people did not turn up in the expected numbers to visit, the bearer of the bones, Gerontas Efraim, went on television to claim that the bones cured deaf, blind and other sick people. The next day thousands made their way to the church to kiss the box in which the bones were kept.

Are these the signs of a secular society Phoenix?

[zan]

Thanks for pointing out the theory of the Greek migration to Cyprus. As you say, its just a theory. That is not proof. Zan could put forward a theory, but like your statement it will not be proof. Why ask for the impossible. Are you clutching at straws? One thing we can be sure of is the arrival of the Greeks. That is indisputable.

Regards

Deniz, if you look around, 90% of credible world historians will tell you the same story with regards to Cyprus' history. Do you have proof to prove this theory wrong? Are you going to take Zan's word over a real historian? please! Who is clutching at straws here? The person who has done his research and backed by professional historians....or Zan and his radical ideas with no proof or evidence what so ever.

...and the reason I said not to bother posting any Turkish links is because im sick of hearing Turkish lies about history. For example, the ridiculous one that Cyprus was geographically part of the southern part of Anatolia before it broke off in evoloution (the biggest load of Turkish facist propaganda crap - Cyprus sprung up from the Med after volcanic disturbances.) Or the other Turkish lie, that the Hitites where Turks who migrated to middle Asia and then returned back to modern day Turkey).

I hope you can see my concerns.

Your the knob mate, you are making a fool of yourself, how old are you? cause you sound like a 10yo who been taught everything by his Zorba father, We all love Zan you just cant see it, stop and ask yourself why? he is allowed an opinions just like anyone else or is that to much to ask of a 10yo, obviously the case.

Oh look Zan, crazy VP off the internet loves you. Hope that satisfies you.

Yeh but I did say that I loved you and you keep going on abouZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There you go look classic Zan - when he has nothing intelligent to say he resorts to trying to undermine someone lol. Well at least you have VP and Shahmaran on your side - hope that boosts your ego!

I am not interested in your crap version of history and how the Greeks who were not even Greek landed on Cyprus but in your absurd THEORY about where Cyprus came from.....YOU find it hard to believe And you dare to call me arrogant.


When Driving along the North of the island you will see that the whole area is mountainous and when I did it a couple of years ago I saw sand not only on the beach but also at the bottom of the mountains.......Perhaps before we go into this you ...The great geologist...Would like to tell me what this indicates in terms of what is happening in that area in geophysical terms???? Care to venture a theory baby....

[RebelWithoutAPause]

Of course it is common practice phoenix. The excuse they find is that they bless the arms only for defensive wars.

We are certainly not like Iran here but we are a long way from a secular society, in practice that is. The other day they brought some bones from some "saint" from Ayios Oros and the whole government went to the airport and the bones were given a head of state welcome. A guard of honour was in place too, made up of soldiers. The bones were then put on display in a church in Lakatameia and when people did not turn up in the expected numbers to visit, the bearer of the bones, Gerontas Efraim, went on television to claim that the bones cured deaf, blind and other sick people. The next day thousands made their way to the church to kiss the box in which the bones were kept.

Are these the signs of a secular society Phoenix?

Common practice!? haha

Are you saying the priests in Cyprus regularly go around blessing weapons and ammunitions like they give holy communion??

...and so what if Cyprus isnt completely secular?? What has that go to do with anything? Infact, Cyprus isnt really a secular state at all. So what??

I am not interested in your crap version of history and how the Greeks who were not even Greek landed on Cyprus but in your absurd THEORY about where Cyprus came from.....YOU find it hard to believe Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes And you dare to call me arrogant.

If the Greeks who landed on Cyprus werent even Greek - what were they Zan? Give me a break and get over your bullshit lol.

When Driving along the North of the island you will see that the whole area is mountainous and when I did it a couple of years ago I saw sand not only on the beach but also at the bottom of the mountains.......Perhaps before we go into this you ...The great geologist...Would like to tell me what this indicates in terms of what is happening in that area in geophysical terms???? Care to venture a theory baby....

I dont know Zan - let me guess...even the sand made shapes of a crescent moon and star and you saw Ataturk looking down and you and told you that Cyprus was geographically part of Turkey.

Let me guess Zan, the Turkish nationalists are right and the geographical professionals are wrong??

[zan]

Of course it is common practice phoenix. The excuse they find is that they bless the arms only for defensive wars.

We are certainly not like Iran here but we are a long way from a secular society, in practice that is. The other day they brought some bones from some "saint" from Ayios Oros and the whole government went to the airport and the bones were given a head of state welcome. A guard of honour was in place too, made up of soldiers. The bones were then put on display in a church in Lakatameia and when people did not turn up in the expected numbers to visit, the bearer of the bones, Gerontas Efraim, went on television to claim that the bones cured deaf, blind and other sick people. The next day thousands made their way to the church to kiss the box in which the bones were kept.

Are these the signs of a secular society Phoenix?

Common practice!? haha

Are you saying the priests in Cyprus regularly go around blessing weapons and ammunitions like they give holy communion??

...and so what if Cyprus isnt completely secular?? What has that go to do with anything? Infact, Cyprus isnt really a secular state at all. So what??

I am not interested in your crap version of history and how the Greeks who were not even Greek landed on Cyprus but in your absurd THEORY about where Cyprus came from.....YOU find it hard to believe Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes And you dare to call me arrogant.

If the Greeks who landed on Cyprus werent even Greek - what were they Zan? Give me a break and get over your bullshit lol.

When Driving along the North of the island you will see that the whole area is mountainous and when I did it a couple of years ago I saw sand not only on the beach but also at the bottom of the mountains.......Perhaps before we go into this you ...The great geologist...Would like to tell me what this indicates in terms of what is happening in that area in geophysical terms???? Care to venture a theory baby....

I dont know Zan - let me guess...even the sand made shapes of a crescent moon and star and you saw Ataturk looking down and you and told you that Cyprus was geographically part of Turkey.

Let me guess Zan, the Turkish nationalists are right and the geographical professionals are wrong??

Are you going to answer or carry on showing us the fool that you are......