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[Viewpoint]

We never had such opportunity because you wanted to be separate, you kept fighting for partition, and you continued to be the pawn of Turkey in Cyprus instead of acting as Cypriots.

I accept our wrong doings for what they are: Our participation, along with you, in an inter-communal conflict where both sides lost a few 100s of people each. On the other hand when will you accept your far greater share in blame, instead of looking for excuses to continue with more crimes against us?

When you wise up to the fact that we are your equals not only as individuals but as communities and where you do not try to solely decide my future.

[zan]

I think what he is trying to say is that the problem for them started in 1974 and that I can live with....It was fine with them when it was us at the receiving end

That was your conclusion from what I wrote Zan?

Let me reiterate, so you will pretend you do not understand again and make even more fool of yourself:

The Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start in 1974. If however you want to include in the "Cyprus Problem" every time Cypriots had a problem, and look at the sequence of events and the root of the problem, then you should start from the time of the Ottoman rule where the Cypriots where butchered by the 10s of thousands and where allowed almost no rights.

So maybe your problem was just that one decade in which you lost as many people as you killed, and when you were killing others by the 1000s and 10s of thousands it was not a problem for you, but for us it was a problem Zan.

Wrong again lovely.....The Cyprus problem exists from the very moment the Akritas Plan was born in support of ENOSIS. What that plan allowed you to do was steal our partnership away from us and our island and human rights. You still have the island, in legal terms at least, in your name which was taken at gun point and murder. Until that point is resolved then the present situation will be the same. When you decide to give us back our rights then you can hold us responsible for 74 in which another attempt at wiping us off he island was made.

I never get you wrong Piratis...You come here with your propaganda to carry on the work that was started in the 50's propaganda movement. You try to distort all the events so it fits into your twisted ideals and history and if those events are brought up then you cry crocodile tears for Cypriots of a million years ago that your Greeks ousted in the first place. You then try to say that you were the first Cypriots. Maybe some archeologist can scrape at the ground and find the layer of pure Greek in the sub soil of Cyprus to prove you right but I doubt it very much. Good old Hellenic expansionism was the cause f that and this fairy tale that it was done by just settling is absolute crap....All others came by force except for the Greeks...Funny that isn't it.

[Piratis]

It was a win or loose situation my friend, it had to end in the way it did, by someone putting an end to it, just because that was us, it does not make us the "greater contributor" because it could just as well been you, am i wrong?

Putting an end to what? The inter-communal conflict was over since 1968 and the Turkish invasion not only it didn't end anything but it started the bloodshed again.

If you think that you can end the conflict by you gaining on our loss then you are mistaken.

[zan]

It was a win or loose situation my friend, it had to end in the way it did, by someone putting an end to it, just because that was us, it does not make us the "greater contributor" because it could just as well been you, am i wrong?

Putting an end to what? The inter-communal conflict was over since 1968 and the Turkish invasion not only it didn't end anything but it started the bloodshed again.

If you think that you can end the conflict by you gaining on our loss then you are mistaken.

Stop your shit and read above big boy!!!!

[shahmaran]

And life was just so sweet until 74

[zan]

And life was just so sweet until 74

As I said....It was for the GCs but we were still contained in 3% of the island and out of government.

[Viewpoint]

No no guys it was Butlins camp for TCs, GCs really believe this even today, pathetic.

[Piratis]

.The Cyprus problem exists from the very moment the Akritas Plan was born in support of ENOSIS.

Really? So this was not a problem for you:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Thats the root of the "enosis" cause Zan. Why did you oppress the Cypriot people and you didn't let us have our freedom?

Good old Hellenic expansionism was the cause f that and this fairy tale that it was done by just settling is absolute crap....All others came by force except for the Greeks...Funny that isn't it

Zan, you are clueless about Cyprus history apparently.

Not all others came by force. Phoenicians also came in the same way as the Greeks did and funded a new city (Kition) on uninhabited land. Also later on other populations, like the Jews, came to Cyprus without using any force.

The Turks however were one of those empire builders that came to Cyprus to enslave and exploit us and our island and they used brute force in order to keep us under their rule against our will.

Stop trying to deny the truth Zan.

[Viewpoint]

.The Cyprus problem exists from the very moment the Akritas Plan was born in support of ENOSIS.

Really? So this was not a problem for you:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Thats the root of the "enosis" cause Zan. Why did you oppress the Cypriot people and you didn't let us have our freedom?

Good old Hellenic expansionism was the cause f that and this fairy tale that it was done by just settling is absolute crap....All others came by force except for the Greeks...Funny that isn't it

Zan, you are clueless about Cyprus history apparently.

Not all others came by force. Phoenicians also came in the same way as the Greeks did and funded a new city (Kition) on uninhabited land. Also later on other populations, like the Jews, came to Cyprus without using any force.

The Turks however were one of those empire builders that came to Cyprus to enslave and exploit us and our island and they used brute force in order to keep us under their rule against our will.

Stop trying to deny the truth Zan.

Thats how it was back then, many empires have come and gone, you try to depict it as if only Ottomans fought wars and battles. The only legally binding agrement you had to build a united Cyprus you tired to change to suit your own goals, you even went against a supreme court judgement.

[zan]

.The Cyprus problem exists from the very moment the Akritas Plan was born in support of ENOSIS.

Really? So this was not a problem for you:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Thats the root of the "enosis" cause Zan. Why did you oppress the Cypriot people and you didn't let us have our freedom?

Good old Hellenic expansionism was the cause f that and this fairy tale that it was done by just settling is absolute crap....All others came by force except for the Greeks...Funny that isn't it

Zan, you are clueless about Cyprus history apparently.

Not all others came by force. Phoenicians also came in the same way as the Greeks did and funded a new city (Kition) on uninhabited land. Also later on other populations, like the Jews, came to Cyprus without using any force.

The Turks however were one of those empire builders that came to Cyprus to enslave and exploit us and our island and they used brute force in order to keep us under their rule against our will.

Stop trying to deny the truth Zan.

Your truth can never be denied Piratis because it serves your purpose. Your history is there for all to see n the present so forgive me if I don't believe a word you say about the times when you had no idea what was going on. Alexander was not aware of such history and the Megali idea was not either. In days when the frontiers were set up by armies and not settlers you expect us to believe that you just walked into Cyprus with bandages and flowers for the natives..........What a crock of shit really