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[denizaksulu]

You get real mate.

We are those Cypriots you refer to. Greeks + Cypriots = Greek Cypriots. The Greek never invaded Cyprus. They were the first to inhabit most areas of this island and funded brand new cities on uninhabited land.

Now tell us how you are related with anything Cypriot? Did you mix with us in any way?

You are as Cypriot as white south Africans are Africans. The difference is that they at least stopped oppressing the native people and discriminate against them, and now all south Africans are equal citizens. On the other hand you insist on discriminating against us and violating our rights just like it was when you first invaded our island.

You know, or pretend to not know the truth about the Cypriots(TCs and GCs). My grand parents speak, greek, drink zivania, wear braga/vragas, go to there vineyards on there donkeys, what on earth are you talking about.
You know Piratis, I give up on you. You are a complete waste of space.
Whether Cyprus was invaded by Greeks or not, you disagree with fellow GC statements. Sort it out among yourselves. If you insist on your definition, then Turkey did not invade Cyprus in 1974, as there were still parts of Cyprus left "uninvaded". Thanks for that gem.

Happy New Year"

[T_C]

My grandads 1st language was Greek...it doesn't even matter anyways. Our culture is a MIX of Greek Cypriot AND Turkish which makes us TURKISH CYPRIOTS.

Just like the Greeks came and adopted the Cypriot culture while adding their own into it, which ultimately made them Greek Cypriots, we did the exact same thing, theres no difference in it. At one point the GCs were JUST Greek too...but do these arguments serve ANY purpose?!?

We're different to those in the mainland now just like the Greek Cypriots are from theirs...and theres no place for Turkish Cypriots in Turkey, we belong in Cyprus weather people like it or not.

[Piratis]

My grandads 1st language was Greek...it doesn't even matter anyways. Our culture is a MIX of Greek Cypriot AND Turkish which makes us TURKISH CYPRIOTS.

Just like the Greeks came and adopted the Cypriot culture while adding their own into it, which ultimately made them Greek Cypriots, we did the exact same thing, theres no difference in it. At one point the GCs were JUST Greek too...but do these arguments serve ANY purpose?!?

We're different to those in the mainland now just like the Greek Cypriots are from theirs...and theres no place for Turkish Cypriots in Turkey, we belong in Cyprus weather people like it or not.

T_C, of course you are Cypriot mate That was just a "trick" argument to get you to admit that you are just like us, part of us, the same people just with some minor differences, and not a different "nation" as some TCs argue.

This is not the point of my initial argument though. Denis said that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974. My argument is that the Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start in 1974. However if we want to look at the roots of the problem and the sequence of events then the Ottoman rule of Cyprus is where we should start since that is when the first conflicts between Cypriots and Turks began, thats when the Muslim (later called TC) minority was created and the Cypriot population was divided between lower class Christians (GCs) and higher class Muslims (TCs), and that is when the first struggles for liberation for the creation of an independent Greek state part of which Cyprus would be part of started.

So if you want to look at the sequence of events and say that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974, then you have to really look at the sequence of events, not merely choose a more convenient date.

[Piratis]

So how about this T_C:

Cypriot + Greek = Greek Cypriot + Turk = Turkish Greek Cypriot + Turkish nationalism + UK divide and rule + TMT intimidation = Turkish Cypriot ( + partition + tons of Settles + some decades = Turk)?

So if you analyze it, now we have Greek Cypriots, we have some Turkish Greek Cypriots who used to be a lot but now are a "species" that is about to disappear, we have Turkish Cypriots, and we also have Turks which is the "species" that will eventually replace all Turkish Cypriots if partition continues for some more decades.

[cymart]

We are now in 2008 and still stuck with this problem......There will supposedly be a new international initiative within a few months and it will be very interesting to see how things develop this time!Although I am not a supporter of Papad's re-election, I would like to see how he copes as he will have a very hard job of explaining to people if he is still in power why the solution is no improvement on the Annan Plan,especially as he promised everybody he could find a better one when they turned it down in 2004!No 'sacks of onions' to produce tearful t.v. addresses will get him out of it this time around,while either Christophias or Cassoulides will have a much easier job of persuading people to accept the bitter pill of truth as the only remedy for our age-old 'illness!!'

[Piratis]

Are you suggesting suicide as the only remedy for our age-old 'illness!!' Cymart?

The majority of the Cypriot people are not as morbid as you though, and they reject euthanasia as remedy. After all we are doing much better than some other sickos that hope to get well by receiving as transplants the organs of our dead body.

[phoenix]

Piratis , you history stinks and is full of lies .
Next you will be telling us Alexander the Great was a hero of Hellenic history who civilized the barbarians.

Bilako I see you still have problems with History.

Alexander the Great was long dead before any of you Barbarians even left Mongolia.

It's probably not your fault. Turkey has done such an effective job of re-writing history to cover up her murky past, that it is no wonder the Turk-TCs haven't a clue about their origins

Here's another bit of History before you believe your own lies, about how much you belong in Cyprus.

Turkic peoples

Any of various peoples who speak one of the Turkic languages. They are connected with the Tuque (T'u-chüeh), nomadic people who in the 6th century AD founded an empire stretching from Mongolia to the Black Sea (see Turkistan). In the 11th century the Seljuqs created an extensive empire after defeating the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert (1071), an event that opened Anatolia to settlement by Turkic-speaking peoples (and eventually led to the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in the 20th century). Though overrun by the Mongols in the 13th century, the Turks succeeded in absorbing them after Genghis Khan's death (1227). In the 14th century Timur, who was of mixed Mongolian and Turkic ancestry, held most of Central Asia and some of South Asia. In the 15th century Russian expansion drove the Turkic peoples eastward into what is now Kazakhstan. Today Turkic peoples live mostly in Turkey, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan.

[zan]

Piratis , you history stinks and is full of lies .
Next you will be telling us Alexander the Great was a hero of Hellenic history who civilized the barbarians.

Bilako I see you still have problems with History.

Alexander the Great was long dead before any of you Barbarians even left Mongolia.

It's probably not your fault. Turkey has done such an effective job of re-writing history to cover up her murky past, that it is no wonder the Turk-TCs haven't a clue about their origins

Here's another bit of History before you believe your own lies, about how much you belong in Cyprus.

Turkic peoples

Any of various peoples who speak one of the Turkic languages. They are connected with the Tuque (T'u-chüeh), nomadic people who in the 6th century AD founded an empire stretching from Mongolia to the Black Sea (see Turkistan). In the 11th century the Seljuqs created an extensive empire after defeating the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert (1071), an event that opened Anatolia to settlement by Turkic-speaking peoples (and eventually led to the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in the 20th century). Though overrun by the Mongols in the 13th century, the Turks succeeded in absorbing them after Genghis Khan's death (1227). In the 14th century Timur, who was of mixed Mongolian and Turkic ancestry, held most of Central Asia and some of South Asia. In the 15th century Russian expansion drove the Turkic peoples eastward into what is now Kazakhstan. Today Turkic peoples live mostly in Turkey, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan.

You mean the Mongolia that was born out of China that was civilised at least three thousand years before you guys reinvented civilisation like you are now trying to invent the Turkish Delight...hahahahahahahahaaaa


Get it into your thick head that the only insult that we cannot stand is that we are just GReek Cypriots...The rest of our history you can sing to the world and make us proud..........We invent new not leach off others like your creed.....

[denizaksulu]

My grandads 1st language was Greek...it doesn't even matter anyways. Our culture is a MIX of Greek Cypriot AND Turkish which makes us TURKISH CYPRIOTS.

Just like the Greeks came and adopted the Cypriot culture while adding their own into it, which ultimately made them Greek Cypriots, we did the exact same thing, theres no difference in it. At one point the GCs were JUST Greek too...but do these arguments serve ANY purpose?!?

We're different to those in the mainland now just like the Greek Cypriots are from theirs...and theres no place for Turkish Cypriots in Turkey, we belong in Cyprus weather people like it or not.

T_C, of course you are Cypriot mate That was just a "trick" argument to get you to admit that you are just like us, part of us, the same people just with some minor differences, and not a different "nation" as some TCs argue.

This is not the point of my initial argument though. Denis said that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974. My argument is that the Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start in 1974. However if we want to look at the roots of the problem and the sequence of events then the Ottoman rule of Cyprus is where we should start since that is when the first conflicts between Cypriots and Turks began, thats when the Muslim (later called TC) minority was created and the Cypriot population was divided between lower class Christians (GCs) and higher class Muslims (TCs), and that is when the first struggles for liberation for the creation of an independent Greek state part of which Cyprus would be part of started.

So if you want to look at the sequence of events and say that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974, then you have to really look at the sequence of events, not merely choose a more convenient date.

So YOU decide where the goalposts are set to suit your own agenda. Bravo, how Byzantine

[zan]

My grandads 1st language was Greek...it doesn't even matter anyways. Our culture is a MIX of Greek Cypriot AND Turkish which makes us TURKISH CYPRIOTS.

Just like the Greeks came and adopted the Cypriot culture while adding their own into it, which ultimately made them Greek Cypriots, we did the exact same thing, theres no difference in it. At one point the GCs were JUST Greek too...but do these arguments serve ANY purpose?!?

We're different to those in the mainland now just like the Greek Cypriots are from theirs...and theres no place for Turkish Cypriots in Turkey, we belong in Cyprus weather people like it or not.

T_C, of course you are Cypriot mate That was just a "trick" argument to get you to admit that you are just like us, part of us, the same people just with some minor differences, and not a different "nation" as some TCs argue.

This is not the point of my initial argument though. Denis said that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974. My argument is that the Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start in 1974. However if we want to look at the roots of the problem and the sequence of events then the Ottoman rule of Cyprus is where we should start since that is when the first conflicts between Cypriots and Turks began, thats when the Muslim (later called TC) minority was created and the Cypriot population was divided between lower class Christians (GCs) and higher class Muslims (TCs), and that is when the first struggles for liberation for the creation of an independent Greek state part of which Cyprus would be part of started.

So if you want to look at the sequence of events and say that the Cyprus problem didn't start in 1974, then you have to really look at the sequence of events, not merely choose a more convenient date.

So YOU decide where the goalposts are set to suit your own agenda. Bravo, how Byzantine

I think what he is trying to say is that the problem for them started in 1974 and that I can live with....It was fine with them when it was us at the receiving end...He has taken a long time to make that clear but now I get it. That is why we are not waiting for anything from them but demand what is ours. Cyprus is not and never will be theirs. The Zurick agreement and we will always be there to see to that.