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[Piratis]

Well at least me and Piratis agree on something and I will defend his rights to say what he thinks on the that principle alone!It's pity the present leadership in Cyprus is not so tolerant of those who disagree with them though...

Really? So who was jailed or murdered, like they do in Turkey, for expressing his opinion? Or by "not tolerant" you mean that the government dares to reply to the mud and the accusations you through at it? Come on Cymart, give us the facts if you can.

[Piratis]

The division is a direct result of you invading and illegally occupying 1/3rd of our country. So cut the lame excuses.

Piratis, before I bid you Happy New Year, the Cyprus Problem DID NOT BEGIN IN 1974.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

The Cyprus problem as it exists today of course it started in 1974. If you talk about the general problem of Cyprus suffering due to the Turkish aggression and expansionism then you are right. That problem started in 1571 and every single generation of Cypriots have suffered due to the Turks since then.

[Kifeas]

The division is a direct result of you invading and illegally occupying 1/3rd of our country. So cut the lame excuses.

Piratis, before I bid you Happy New Year, the Cyprus Problem DID NOT BEGIN IN 1974.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Yes Deniz, the Cyprus Problem did not begin in 1974, neither though had it been so in 1963/64 -as you may want to believe! In fact, the Cyprus problem is an on going process and a problem, for tens of years if not centuries now! However, the gross and most profound deterioration of the Cyprus problem, to the level and phase in which we experience it nowadays, is a direct result of Turkey's illegal act of aggression in 1974, and the ongoing illegal and illegitimate occupation of 36% of Cyprus! Yes, there was a Cyprus problem before 1974 as well! However, it was of a different nature and dimensions, nevertheless it was addressed and nearly solved during the negotiations between the two communities, which started in 1968 and continued up until shortly before 1974! During those negotiations, between Denktash and Clerides, as much as 95% of all issues were addressed and agreed upon by the two leaders, and the only obstacle to conclude the solution agreement was the totally unnecessary insistence from the part of Turkey to repeat the "non-partition /non-union" closure that anyway was already in place (and would have remained so) since the 1960 agreements, at a time in which Makarios was in a difficult position to appear making such a move due the internal undermining he was being subjected by the Greek Junta and the Eoka B' unionists in Cyprus.

[Bananiot]

I think it goes back to 3000 bc, when the Greeks invaded our island and destroyed the natives .... this is pathetic Piratis and you are serious about it!

[Kifeas]

I think it goes back to 3000 bc, when the Greeks invaded our island and destroyed the natives .... this is pathetic Piratis and you are serious about it!

No Bananiot, it doesn't go back to 3000 bc! The Cyprus problem started in 1963/64, when the GCs started "annihilating" the TCs and "kicked" them out of the RoC, and was "solved" in 1974 by your hero Bulent Ecevit, whose propaganda you and most of your TC friends fully adopted just for the sake of having the pleasure to be eating “kelle” together at Kemal’s place!

[Piratis]

I think it goes back to 3000 bc, when the Greeks invaded our island and destroyed the natives .... this is pathetic Piratis and you are serious about it!

The Greeks came to Cyprus when most of Cyprus was uninhabited and its total population no more than a few 1000s people. They founded new cities on uninhibited land (the concept of "country" did not exist then) and they didn't destroy anything, on the contrary they mixed with those few that where already on the island, and created what is known as Cypriot.

On the contrary the Turks came to Cyprus killing 10s of thousands of people with the sole aim to steal our land, and enslave and exploit the Cypriot people, just like they did with all other parts of their empire.

If we want to generalize the "Cyprus Problem" then indeed it starts from then because:

1) That is when the killings and oppression of Turks against Cypriots started. Before that we had other conflicts, but that was when the Turks VS Cypriots conflicts started.

2) The Ottoman Turks where the ones to divide Cypriots among Muslims and second category Christians. This is the division that was later used by Turks and British in order to apply their divide and rule policies and divide our island and this is the division that exists today.

3) The first struggles for liberation started when the rest of the Greek territories and islands revolted against the Turks in 1821. "enosis" did not appear in the 50s or 60s, but in 1821 while we were under the Ottoman rule.

So, the Cyprus problem as it exists today started in 1974. But if you want to see the root of the problem and the sequence of events then yes the Ottoman rule of Cyprus is very very relevant and when the Cypriots VS Turks conflicts started, when Cypriots where divided among Greeks (Christians) and Turks (Muslims), and when the first attempts for liberation and the creation of an independent Greek state, of which Cyprus would be part of, started.

So don't tell me about 3000 years ago. I doubt Turks even existed at that time, and if they did they existed somewhere in Mongolia. The problems started when they came down to our areas and started to kill and oppress us, something they have not stopped doing ever since and they are looking for lame excuses so they will continue doing it in the future.

Regardless of when the problem started there is only one way to solve it: To end the illegalities and create in Cyprus one truly independent country where all citizens are equal regardless their ethnic background or religion. Unfortunately they Turks do not accept this, and they instead prefer the division they initially applied during their forceful rule of our island, so now, like then, they can discriminate against us and violate our democratic and human rights.

[bilako22]

Piratis , you history stinks and is full of lies .
Next you will be telling us Alexander the Great was a hero of Hellenic history who civilized the barbarians.

[Piratis]

And what are the lies bilako?

We know our own history my friend.

[denizaksulu]

I think it goes back to 3000 bc, when the Greeks invaded our island and destroyed the natives .... this is pathetic Piratis and you are serious about it!

The Greeks came to Cyprus when most of Cyprus was uninhabited and its total population no more than a few 1000s people. They founded new cities on uninhibited land (the concept of "country" did not exist then) and they didn't destroy anything, on the contrary they mixed with those few that where already on the island, and created what is known as Cypriot.

On the contrary the Turks came to Cyprus killing 10s of thousands of people with the sole aim to steal our land, and enslave and exploit the Cypriot people, just like they did with all other parts of their empire.

If we want to generalize the "Cyprus Problem" then indeed it starts from then because:

1) That is when the killings and oppression of Turks against Cypriots started. Before that we had other conflicts, but that was when the Turks VS Cypriots conflicts started.

2) The Ottoman Turks where the ones to divide Cypriots among Muslims and second category Christians. This is the division that was later used by Turks and British in order to apply their divide and rule policies and divide our island and this is the division that exists today.

3) The first struggles for liberation started when the rest of the Greek territories and islands revolted against the Turks in 1821. "enosis" did not appear in the 50s or 60s, but in 1821 while we were under the Ottoman rule.

So, the Cyprus problem as it exists today started in 1974. But if you want to see the root of the problem and the sequence of events then yes the Ottoman rule of Cyprus is very very relevant and when the Cypriots VS Turks conflicts started, when Cypriots where divided among Greeks (Christians) and Turks (Muslims), and when the first attempts for liberation and the creation of an independent Greek state, of which Cyprus would be part of, started.

So don't tell me about 3000 years ago. I doubt Turks even existed at that time, and if they did they existed somewhere in Mongolia. The problems started when they came down to our areas and started to kill and oppress us, something they have not stopped doing ever since and they are looking for lame excuses so they will continue doing it in the future.

Regardless of when the problem started there is only one way to solve it: To end the illegalities and create in Cyprus one truly independent country where all citizens are equal regardless their ethnic background or religion. Unfortunately they Turks do not accept this, and they instead prefer the division they initially applied during their forceful rule of our island, so now, like then, they can discriminate against us and violate our democratic and human rights.

Piratis, get real will you. So you now think the Greeks invaded Cyprus, which was nearly uninhabited. The peoples of Cyprus had their own alphabet and their own culture for christs sake. Even GR would laugh at your suggestion. God help us, with people like you , who wants to be called a Cypriot?

[Piratis]

You get real mate.

We are those Cypriots you refer to. Greeks + Cypriots = Greek Cypriots. The Greek never invaded Cyprus. They were the first to inhabit most areas of this island and funded brand new cities on uninhabited land.

Now tell us how you are related with anything Cypriot? Did you mix with us in any way?

You are as Cypriot as white south Africans are Africans. The difference is that they at least stopped oppressing the native people and discriminate against them, and now all south Africans are equal citizens. On the other hand you insist on discriminating against us and violating our rights just like it was when you first invaded our island.