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[Viewpoint]

Piratis

What I propose is simple: We give a risk free chance to unification, and if things do not work out then we get partition officially and by the law.

Havent you changed your tune Piratis, thought you have always wanted 18% 82% split why should u want a risk free chance at reunification with thieves rapists and murders the people that caused all your loss.

It seems to me you don't want to pay a cent for a solution. You got used with plans like Annan, that the idiot GCs were supposed to take the whole weight of implementing what was agreed.

With recognition for land exchange you dont have to worry about sharing or paying for us, these matters obviously effect you deeply so why not avoid them totally and make us pay for our choice.

As you so rightly say

If we choose partition, we get it split 18%-82%, and from then on we take our ways separately.

THE END

[Piratis]

Viewpoint,

I don't want partition. I believe that a truly united Cyprus is better for everyone. However, if TCs don't want to live with us, I don't think there is any way of forcing them to do so, without having more problems in the future again.

Do you think that for you it is impossible after trying to live with GCs for some time (how old are you?) to change your mind about unification? Also, do you think that the majority of TCs share your views?

In any case, if we agreed for such thing now, then in 7-8 years you could have your 82%-18% partition (if majority of TCs want it), while if we keep talking the current status can stay for several more decades.

[garbitsch]

Piratis, come on, be realist! The Greek Cypriots will never ever accept the partition of the island and the reason why Turkish Cypriots support unification, is because they are well aware of the fact that TRNC will not be recognised. If there could be a signal of it from the Greek side, you will see that the support for unification will decrease for partition. Actually, if there were two independent EU member states in Cyprus, then there would be no restrictions for the Greek Cypriots to live and work in North. Ok that's too much I agree

[insan]

Do you think that for you it is impossible after trying to live with GCs for some time (how old are you?) to change your mind about unification?

Experience of living with GCs without speaking each other's language? How will they communicate with each other?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

I don't want partition. I believe that a truly united Cyprus is better for everyone.

Why would you want to live with thieves rapists murders, money sucking (TCs) and Turkish peasants that have done you so much wrong????

Do you think that for you it is impossible after trying to live with GCs for some time (how old are you?) to change your mind about unification? Also, do you think that the majority of TCs share your views?

Piratis its not as easy as you say, live with us if you dont like it then we can have partition, its not like buying a car ho i dont like this model ill change it. If any TC want to live with you now they are free to do it under your constitution which you claim gives them human rights and freedom etc etc which is very questionable. If that desire was there believe me all the TCs would now be resident in the south. But they do not trust GCs and their intentions and sincerity when wanting to reunite. The real effort by TCs was concerted before Annan we went against our leader to unite with you guys but you turned around and gave us a big (76%) slap in the face this effected many yes voters hard and changed their opinions about living and working with GCs, very sad but true. The recognition for return of land issue is being talked about in the north more and more as time goes by and peoples hatred for Tassos and his negative stances increases.

while if we keep talking the current status can stay for several more decades.

To be absolutely honest this suits us as well in a way because the partition is in place and the land distribution is 37% 63% as time passes and we talk and talk and talk then time will work in our favour as the isolation issues are resolved not immediately but over time and with the pressure from the EU which has now seen the error of its ways, we are willing to take our chances and wait it out. If GCs want a solution either they have to be more pro active and encourage TCs to work with them thus gaining their trust and also show they are willing to accept political equality or they take back as much land as they can and agree partition.

[Piratis]

Experience of living with GCs without speaking each other's language? How will they communicate with each other?

The can talk in English, if they know. But the major point is to get over the fears of the past.

Why would you want to live with thieves rapists murders, money sucking (TCs)

I didn't say that TCs are by nature like this. (and I never said rapists and murderers for the TCs by the way). For their faults (which are a fact), I am more than willing to forgive and forget about.

If any TC want to live with you now they are free to do it under your constitution which you claim gives them human rights and freedom

It does give them human rights and freedom. What TCs do not get now are their rights according to the 1960 agreements. (e.g. vice president, members of parliament etc). With what I propose they will get all those during this trial period. This is a big difference I believe.

To be absolutely honest this suits us as well in a way because the partition is in place and the land distribution is 37% 63%

This land distribution was in place for 30 years now. You didn't get your partition until now, right?
Now that we are EU members, and with Turkey to want to get in, the chances of you getting it are actually way less.

The Greek Cypriots will never ever accept the partition of the island and the reason why Turkish Cypriots support unification, is because they are well aware of the fact that TRNC will not be recognised.

GCs will never accept the partition as it is now. Thats 1000% sure. However an 18%-82% partition would be acceptable to the majority if true unification is not possible.

Personally I believe that when TCs experience RoC as a bicomunal country now, they will realize that today they have much more to gain if they live with us within EU, than staying a protectorate of Turkey in a huge military base.

what TCs have to realize is not that they can not have partition (because I am sure they can have the 18%-82% one). What they should realize they can not have is a disguised partition like the Annan plan.
The solution will either be 1) RoC, 2) a strong federal system (not confederal), 3) an 18%-82% partition, or there will be no solution at all.

[insan]

The can talk in English, if they know. But the major point is to get over the fears of the past.

Majority of TCs have already experienced that the only dangerous GCs are ultra-nationalists, Turk haters and those who want imposing majority rule upon them. Majority of TCs don't have fears about the other GCs. To a degree; majority of TCs had/have good relationships with majority of GCs. Although their realtionships were/are limited to a degree, at least they didn't hurt each other.

[Piratis]

Then I believe that this trial period will show to the TCs that those ultra nationalists can easily be controlled by the state today, unlike what happened 40 years ago, and that their rights in RoC can now be secured.

[insan]

Then I believe that this trial period will show to the TCs that those ultra nationalists can easily be controlled by the state today, unlike what happened 40 years ago, and that their rights in RoC can now be secured.

As long as those TCs obbey majority rule; those 3 groups of dangerous GCs will have no no problems with a bunch of TCs living as a minority under GC administration. And even they are wise enough to keep quiet until the test is over. Your proposal is not realistic and no TCs accept such a proposal. Let's see realities Piratis. Stop dreaming irrational things.

[Viewpoint]

It does give them human rights and freedom. What TCs do not get now are their rights according to the 1960 agreements. (e.g. vice president, members of parliament etc). With what I propose they will get all those during this trial period. This is a big difference I believe.

Why not go ahead and offer them now and see how many TCs return. I personally would not, my home my work my chidren are all here, I dont want to live in the south its like a another country to us, we dont understand your language and we definately do not trust your intentions.

This land distribution was in place for 30 years now. You didn't get your partition until now, right?

Partition we got in 1974, but you are right to date we have not got recognition. But whos to know if we continue with the status quo what will happen in a few years time.

Personally I believe that when TCs experience RoC as a bicomunal country now, they will realize that today they have much more to gain if they live with us within EU, than staying a protectorate of Turkey in a huge military base.

Please dont take this this the wrong way but this statement is a reflection on yourselves, TCs are prepared and would rather live in a protectorate miltary base as you put it than live in the RoC with GCs, again sad but very true. The current tide of information we get from the south just reinforces this feeling of mistrust for GCs.

what TCs have to realize is not that they can not have partition (because I am sure they can have the 18%-82% one). What they should realize they can not have is a disguised partition like the Annan plan.
The solution will either be 1) RoC, 2) a strong federal system (not confederal), 3) an 18%-82% partition, or there will be no solution at all.

1. RoC 1960 tried and tested failed and buried for TCs
2. Disguised partition your words/strong federal system call it what you will, referendum failed dead and buried
3.18%-82% agreed distribution vs partition recognition Only Option