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Postby rajput49 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:49 am

CHRACTER OF PEOPLE SHOWS THEIR UPBRINGING WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION THE ONE WHO DOESNT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION WE APPRECIATE IF THEY STAY AWAY FROM FILLING FORUM WITH USELESS THINGS
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Postby phoenix » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:30 am

QAMERSLAND wrote:The modern established science is not a new religion itself but it is tool to test which religion is more authentic. use the tool sensibly and you will have found the great path to follow that will lead you success in this life and hereafter.

good luck


I agree that is a good application for Science . . . to test authenticity of miracles, God-centred cosmological events and so on.

BUT . . . wherever Science has been applied to authenticate religious beliefs, it has left them outdated and sadly lacking in truth.

So if what you are saying QAMERSLAND is that we can use science to dismiss all those religious doctrines and then we are left just with the moral elements with which to guide our life, then I think that is worthwhile. :)
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Postby boomerang » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:54 am

rajput49 wrote:CHRACTER OF PEOPLE SHOWS THEIR UPBRINGING WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION THE ONE WHO DOESNT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION WE APPRECIATE IF THEY STAY AWAY FROM FILLING FORUM WITH USELESS THINGS


well you could stop playing with your tool if you like...unlike you I won't complain... :lol:

PS...you do not seem me whining when you post 20 pages of pure nothing. :lol:
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Postby rajput49 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:57 am

PHOENIX THAKNS FOR GETTING THE POINT ISLAM IS OPEN FOR ANY TEST SCIENTIFIC,MORAL,ETC BUT ESTABLISHED LAWS OF SCIENCE SHOULD BE TESTED AGAINST QURNACI LAWS NOT THEORIES TAKE ANY THING MENTIONED IN QURAN AND TEST IT OF UR OWN.WE CAN CHALLENGE U WILL FIND IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SCIENCE AND MORAL VALUES.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:00 am

the 4 wives thingie does it for me...I am ready to walk over to the dark side :lol:
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Postby phoenix » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:12 am

rajput49 wrote:PHOENIX THAKNS FOR GETTING THE POINT ISLAM IS OPEN FOR ANY TEST SCIENTIFIC,MORAL,ETC BUT ESTABLISHED LAWS OF SCIENCE SHOULD BE TESTED AGAINST QURNACI LAWS NOT THEORIES TAKE ANY THING MENTIONED IN QURAN AND TEST IT OF UR OWN.WE CAN CHALLENGE U WILL FIND IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SCIENCE AND MORAL VALUES.


Then how do you explain this:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/video ... -in-islam/

If you subject Islam to even just moral tests it fails miserably :(
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Postby tessintrnc » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:35 am

What happened to those women was not Islamic, it just shows mens control over women, In the Koran it states quite clearly that you should be kind to Women. Some Mens treatment of women in those countries is terrible and I am sure that God will punish them one day. Makes you wonder why the Women dont all get together and give them some of the same! Its fear and tradition I suppose.......
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Postby rajput49 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:39 am

dont look at individual acts of few muslims look at the teachings of islam
islam gives
In a truely Islamic society women have the following rights in Islam:
1. The right and duty to obtain education.

2. The right to have their own independent property.

3. The right to work to earn money if they need it or want it.

4. Equality of reward for equal deeds.

5. The right to express their opinion and be heard.

6. The right to provisions from the husband for all her needs and more.

7. The right to negotiate marriage terms of her choice.

8. The right to obtain divorce from her husband, even on the grounds that she simply can't stand him. (pls note that God deeply frowns upon divorce as a solution unless there is hardly any other alternative but it does not mean that men have more right to divorce their wives than women do.)

9. The right to keep all her own money (she is not responsible to maintain any relations).

10. The right to get sexual satisfaction from her husband.

11. custody of their children after divorce.

12. to refuse any marriage that does not please them

and more...
so u should read first what are teachings.its like u want to judge a mercedes car and u put bad driver on the seat to test drive for sure u wouldnt find good result of the test u need good driver to put to drive car and then decide if car is good.same is with islam if u want to see if islam is good religion or not look at the teachings and best examples.and best example of islam is prophet muhammad?(peace be upon him).examine his life history and u will find what is islam
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Postby QAMERSLAND » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:41 am

it fails because of your lack of knowledge, if you really want to learn the truth about Islam, you need to open your mind.

by picking black sheep from Muslims and portray them as examplery Muslims is not the right way to know Islam, there are black sheeps in every community.

for your kind information, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and 66 % who reverted to Islam are women, if the Islam is against the women rights then why are they accepting Islam?

who is forcing American and British educated women to accept Islam?

By visiting anti Islamic website and watch blasphemous videos and half truth will lead you to astray.

Get knowledge from the right source to know the truth otherwise you will be among losers in the hereafter.

May the Almighty Guide you
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Postby boomerang » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:43 am

part my ignorance but wasn't mohammed,peace be upon him, a padeophile?
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