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[boomerang]

ok we came from a single cell, swam in the the sea and then walked on dry land...This is the normal path to evolution...2 humanoid looking creatures evolved one after the other, with the difference the second comer was smarter...whats to say that
1...another one is on the making
2...we disappear just as creatures before the dinosaurs
3...the third comes along, smarter than the second one

and by saying this there will be more before the sun expires in about 3 billion years

PS...I do not subscribe to global warming either...I see it as a natural phenomenon...There is an excellent doco, by the BBC called WILD EUROPE, highly recommended...They talked about the shifting of continents...Not only only meteorites are responcible for extinction

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

My god....I find myself on Phoenix side for once

Dino wrote:

ok so can science identify for me this "common ancestor" that we share with monkeys? that has somehow miraculously evolved into different things for no apparent reason! i would like to see its bones for example! and scientific proof that it has in its genes pool the correct chromosomes to evolve into me and a monkey! or was this fairy tale just made up by some guy after a few drinks one night?

Things did not evolve for no reason Dino. Think of it this way.

Imagine a massive jungle in which man monkeys thrive. Now on the edges of he jungle things start to change as in the whether and therefore he conditions. The monkeys there are not really adapted to these conditions but there are a few that can just about make it through. They pass on their genes to their young who exhibit more of those characteristics that are needed to survive in those harsh conditions and after thousands of years they are fully adapted....Take that into millions of years and you arrive at man. A completely different looking ape but an ape just the same. Use that for mentality as well and you have a perfect model.

fair enough i do understand what you and phoenix are saying, but what i am asking for is proof! we can all come out with theories but where is the proof for these things? i would work better with 4 arms! so why dont we evolve into having 4 arms then?

Perhaps Phoenix can give you a better answer but the I can give you this example.....The brain we have has it's limits...A fixed amount of power....If I were to give you that power ratio and said to you...Build me a robot that walks, talks, thinks etc...You would have to allocate so much for each use...You are then left with the two sides of the brain to run two arms which are very complicated and use up a whole lot of energy. Four arms would have to work at a much lower level and less efficiently...

As for proof....It is all around you from the smallest to the largest animal.

actually zan we only use a fraction of our brain throughout life-scientific fact, so that kind of puts pay to that theory, as for all the animals around what does that prove! i know they were created, that doesnt prove your case at all! maybe phoenix can give me abetter answer than you as you say, but she wont have all the proof as even the scientists admit that there are a lot of holes in the theory of evolution! ever heard of the missing link? thats just 1, without the biggest one of all like how did all these marvelous fluke sequence of events start?

[boomerang]

yes we use a bit more than the first comers...not much more if I may add

I do not subscribe to the elusive missing link...there will be others smarter than what we are...just follow the chain...

[Bananiot]

Well said Phoenix and Zan. The example you sited Zan is a good one involving natural selection. Natural selection is one of different mechanisms that can cause genetic changes to physical populations. It is the dominant mechanism by which organisms respond to changes in their environment.

However, natural selection does not have an aim. It simply points to a superiority certain genetic forms have against others for survival, reproduction etc, in a specific environment at a specific time. Man is, therefore, a product of natural selection too and his presence on this planet is just an accident which could be fatal for the planet in the years to come.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

ok we came from a single cell, swam in the the sea and then walked on dry land...This is the normal path to evolution...2 humanoid looking creatures evolved one after the other, with the difference the second comer was smarter...whats to say that
1...another one is on the making
2...we disappear just as creatures before the dinosaurs
3...the third comes along, smarter than the second one

and by saying this there will be more before the sun expires in about 3 billion years

PS...I do not subscribe to global warming either...I see it as a natural phenomenon...There is an excellent doco, by the BBC called WILD EUROPE, highly recommended...They talked about the shifting of continents...Not only only meteorites are responcible for extinction

ok how did this germ get in the sea in the first place? then when you work that 1 out tell me how the sea got there!
let me know

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

yes we use a bit more than the first comers...not much more if I may add

I do not subscribe to the elusive missing link...there will be others smarter than what we are...just follow the chain...

so how do you explain the missing liks in the chain?

how did the chain start?

can you prove any of this or is it just hearsay?

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

Well said Phoenix and Zan. The example you sited Zan is a good one involving natural selection. Natural selection is one of different mechanisms that can cause genetic changes to physical populations. It is the dominant mechanism by which organisms respond to changes in their environment.

However, natural selection does not have an aim. It simply points to a superiority certain genetic forms have against others for survival, reproduction etc, in a specific environment at a specific time. Man is, therefore, a product of natural selection too and his presence on this planet is just an accident which could be fatal for the planet in the years to come.

pretty amazing and complex accident i would say

[phoenix]

ok we came from a single cell, swam in the the sea and then walked on dry land...This is the normal path to evolution...2 humanoid looking creatures evolved one after the other, with the difference the second comer was smarter...whats to say that
1...another one is on the making
2...we disappear just as creatures before the dinosaurs
3...the third comes along, smarter than the second one

and by saying this there will be more before the sun expires in about 3 billion years

PS...I do not subscribe to global warming either...I see it as a natural phenomenon...There is an excellent doco, by the BBC called WILD EUROPE, highly recommended...They talked about the shifting of continents...Not only only meteorites are responcible for extinction

We are constantly evolving, digits on hands and feet change over time, our average height, hairiness etc.

There is some evidence that distinct species occasionally arise with Humans and it is a matter of time before a male and female with the same species-change meet and have progeny. Then if they are superior to us for the climate / environmental conditions prevalent at the time, then they will take over. Perhaps use us for lab-monkeys

Males are changing faster because the Y chromosome is getting smaller at a rapid rate and will eventually disappear

[phoenix]

What a hot topic to wrap presents by . . .

[boomerang]

man, the single cell organism, is found today alive and well in the some vents spewing out ammonia...deep in the sea...

The water came from when the earth was made a couple of billion years ago...

I recommend you get the doco, wild europe...Europe was frozen, the meditterenean was empty with rivers and forrests...not once but many times...all the continents were stuck together as a one large land mass, and split up many times...Africa as we speak is on a north bound move...It will join europe in under a million years...The reason Europe defrosted is because Nth America and Sth America joined, forcing warm currents to come to europe...Then Europe defrosted and filled the mediterenean...

Get the doco from BBC...