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[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

christianity has become only beleiving in miracles.to whoever u talk about religion on island they are mentioning only miracles that this and that saint did there is no mention of GOD anywhere infact virgin marry has taken over the place that should be of only and only GOD not to any human being irrespective of as holy as marry or anyother.its very strange that we are in this age of science and still people around us are talking about miracles that can be good for people living in ages ago.i think we should discuss with everyone we know to bring back christianity to its original position.and think what we beleive do we practice as well???

Interesting commentary rajput.

Perhaps people are becoming disenchanted with religion. There is almost widespread acceptance amongst the educated that God does not exist. There is also no rational reason for needing a God to create the Universe, life etc as all these can be explained by Science.

However, people still need a safe make-believe world where things can go the way they want them to go. Hence the growing belief in "miracles".

Christianity going back to its original position would be very sad indeed as in a lot of ways it was very oppressive.

well you say that and i dont agree! science has many holes in it! they cant explain many things! The problem is that christianity has been diluted by many man made philosphies and perverse practicies! if we stuck to the bible and done what we were meant to nothing more and nothing less it works! but the greek orthodox church dont do this and with there mumbo-jumbo and miracles they are just a money making machine and a way of keeping little old ladies dressed in black in line.

you say that christianity was oppressive how do you mean? i dont think that it was! in fact i think the opposite

"Holes" in science are just information in progress . . . in time, there is no foreseeable reason why they should not be filled.

As for oppressive, think what Christianity did to suppress the Heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo etc) of the solar system.

A further simple example in the Greek Orthodox church, women are restricted from practicing in priesthood, visiting behind the eikonostasi, and not that long ago had to sit separate from the men.

"information in progress" oh please is that the best the scientists can do? not good enough!

as i have already stated religions such as greek orthodox are rubbish!

you are just agreeing with me there! those rules you are complaining about are man made rules not in the bible therefore not christian whatsoever! you have the right to say the orthodox religion is wrong and i would agree with you 100 % but my point is that the they are not true christians! to be a christian is not to do just what the "baba" tells you

[phoenix]

christianity has become only beleiving in miracles.to whoever u talk about religion on island they are mentioning only miracles that this and that saint did there is no mention of GOD anywhere infact virgin marry has taken over the place that should be of only and only GOD not to any human being irrespective of as holy as marry or anyother.its very strange that we are in this age of science and still people around us are talking about miracles that can be good for people living in ages ago.i think we should discuss with everyone we know to bring back christianity to its original position.and think what we beleive do we practice as well???

Interesting commentary rajput.

Perhaps people are becoming disenchanted with religion. There is almost widespread acceptance amongst the educated that God does not exist. There is also no rational reason for needing a God to create the Universe, life etc as all these can be explained by Science.

However, people still need a safe make-believe world where things can go the way they want them to go. Hence the growing belief in "miracles".

Christianity going back to its original position would be very sad indeed as in a lot of ways it was very oppressive.

well you say that and i dont agree! science has many holes in it! they cant explain many things! The problem is that christianity has been diluted by many man made philosphies and perverse practicies! if we stuck to the bible and done what we were meant to nothing more and nothing less it works! but the greek orthodox church dont do this and with there mumbo-jumbo and miracles they are just a money making machine and a way of keeping little old ladies dressed in black in line.

you say that christianity was oppressive how do you mean? i dont think that it was! in fact i think the opposite

"Holes" in science are just information in progress . . . in time, there is no foreseeable reason why they should not be filled.

As for oppressive, think what Christianity did to suppress the Heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo etc) of the solar system.

A further simple example in the Greek Orthodox church, women are restricted from practicing in priesthood, visiting behind the eikonostasi, and not that long ago had to sit separate from the men.

"information in progress" oh please is that the best the scientists can do? not good enough!

as i have already stated religions such as greek orthodox are rubbish!

you are just agreeing with me there! those rules you are complaining about are man made rules not in the bible therefore not christian whatsoever! you have the right to say the orthodox religion is wrong and i would agree with you 100 % but my point is that the they are not true christians! to be a christian is not to do just what the "baba" tells you

Your outright dismissal of science is purely a personal opinion.

Scientists do not perform "miracles" and as such are in a constant flux of research from where the answers usually arise. Instant results are not scientific.

Regarding your man made rules . . . all religions are man made. They are recorded by men and they are related by men as stories. Thus subject to distortion.

We have Human Rights, and we have strong moral codes as people inherent in our survival mechanisms, and therefore selected by evolution anyway. So we do not need a religion to be good people.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

christianity has become only beleiving in miracles.to whoever u talk about religion on island they are mentioning only miracles that this and that saint did there is no mention of GOD anywhere infact virgin marry has taken over the place that should be of only and only GOD not to any human being irrespective of as holy as marry or anyother.its very strange that we are in this age of science and still people around us are talking about miracles that can be good for people living in ages ago.i think we should discuss with everyone we know to bring back christianity to its original position.and think what we beleive do we practice as well???

Interesting commentary rajput.

Perhaps people are becoming disenchanted with religion. There is almost widespread acceptance amongst the educated that God does not exist. There is also no rational reason for needing a God to create the Universe, life etc as all these can be explained by Science.

However, people still need a safe make-believe world where things can go the way they want them to go. Hence the growing belief in "miracles".

Christianity going back to its original position would be very sad indeed as in a lot of ways it was very oppressive.

well you say that and i dont agree! science has many holes in it! they cant explain many things! The problem is that christianity has been diluted by many man made philosphies and perverse practicies! if we stuck to the bible and done what we were meant to nothing more and nothing less it works! but the greek orthodox church dont do this and with there mumbo-jumbo and miracles they are just a money making machine and a way of keeping little old ladies dressed in black in line.

you say that christianity was oppressive how do you mean? i dont think that it was! in fact i think the opposite

"Holes" in science are just information in progress . . . in time, there is no foreseeable reason why they should not be filled.

As for oppressive, think what Christianity did to suppress the Heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo etc) of the solar system.

A further simple example in the Greek Orthodox church, women are restricted from practicing in priesthood, visiting behind the eikonostasi, and not that long ago had to sit separate from the men.

"information in progress" oh please is that the best the scientists can do? not good enough!

as i have already stated religions such as greek orthodox are rubbish!

you are just agreeing with me there! those rules you are complaining about are man made rules not in the bible therefore not christian whatsoever! you have the right to say the orthodox religion is wrong and i would agree with you 100 % but my point is that the they are not true christians! to be a christian is not to do just what the "baba" tells you

Your outright dismissal of science is purely a personal opinion.

Scientists do not perform "miracles" and as such are in a constant flux of research from where the answers usually arise. Instant results are not scientific.

Regarding your man made rules . . . all religions are man made. They are recorded by men and they are related by men as stories. Thus subject to distortion.

We have Human Rights, and we have strong moral codes as people inherent in our survival mechanisms, and therefore selected by evolution anyway. So we do not need a religion to be good people.

so basically what you are saying is that you believe you came from a monkey? well you are also welcome to your opinion ofcoarse and maybe you are right about yourself but my family never came from monkeys

[tessintrnc]

When Christianity was first "out and about" as it were, remember that this was a new religion. Many people that the deciples preached the message of Jesus to were ignorant, neither reading nor writing - so the message had to told in terms that they understood: i.e stories and parables. Of course people looked on these men as leaders (at least in the spiritual sense) I doubt very much if Jesus would approve the hiarachy or riches of the church as it is today, (any church is in his name whether Catholic or Orthodox). BUT, rich they are and as Phoenix quite rightly says - (we have the bible to show us the way) - at the end of the day - we make our own choices, rightly or wrongly. The bible says that God's mansion has many rooms, and I take this to mean that all GOOD people, whether Moslem, Jew, Orthodox or Catholic will be welcome in Heaven.
Tess
ps (not sure about Proddies though)

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

When Christianity was first "out and about" as it were, remember that this was a new religion. Many people that the deciples preached the message of Jesus to were ignorant, neither reading nor writing - so the message had to told in terms that they understood: i.e stories and parables. Of course people looked on these men as leaders (at least in the spiritual sense) I doubt very much if Jesus would approve the hiarachy or riches of the church as it is today, (any church is in his name whether Catholic or Orthodox). BUT, rich they are and as Phoenix quite rightly says - (we have the bible to show us the way) - at the end of the day - we make our own choices, rightly or wrongly. The bible says that God's mansion has many rooms, and I take this to mean that all GOOD people, whether Moslem, Jew, Orthodox or Catholic will be welcome in Heaven.
Tess
ps (not sure about Proddies though)

i think you have misunderstood tess! phoenix is basically saying that she believes in science and not god! i am the 1 saying that modern day religions are false and have come away from gods word, and no i dont think that god will allow people of all religions for salvation either! he has given us all the way to find him and those who dont too bad!

[tessintrnc]

When Christianity was first "out and about" as it were, remember that this was a new religion. Many people that the deciples preached the message of Jesus to were ignorant, neither reading nor writing - so the message had to told in terms that they understood: i.e stories and parables. Of course people looked on these men as leaders (at least in the spiritual sense) I doubt very much if Jesus would approve the hiarachy or riches of the church as it is today, (any church is in his name whether Catholic or Orthodox). BUT, rich they are and as Phoenix quite rightly says - (we have the bible to show us the way) - at the end of the day - we make our own choices, rightly or wrongly. The bible says that God's mansion has many rooms, and I take this to mean that all GOOD people, whether Moslem, Jew, Orthodox or Catholic will be welcome in Heaven.
Tess
ps (not sure about Proddies though)

i think you have misunderstood tess! phoenix is basically saying that she believes in science and not god! i am the 1 saying that modern day religions are false and have come away from gods word, and no i dont think that god will allow people of all religions for salvation either! he has given us all the way to find him and those who dont too bad!

Thats why I put in brackets "WE have the bible" but we all have - regardless of whether we believe in Higher being or not, our OWN moral
upbringings and beliefs. I really do believe that all good people WILL go to a better place, regardless of which religion is followed. I asked my Priest when I was a child what happens to people in the Jungles where no-one has ever been to preach about Jesus and he said that "if you lead a good life - God will make room for you". Anyway we will all find out one day!!! (later rather than sooner -please God)

[phoenix]

christianity has become only beleiving in miracles.to whoever u talk about religion on island they are mentioning only miracles that this and that saint did there is no mention of GOD anywhere infact virgin marry has taken over the place that should be of only and only GOD not to any human being irrespective of as holy as marry or anyother.its very strange that we are in this age of science and still people around us are talking about miracles that can be good for people living in ages ago.i think we should discuss with everyone we know to bring back christianity to its original position.and think what we beleive do we practice as well???

Interesting commentary rajput.

Perhaps people are becoming disenchanted with religion. There is almost widespread acceptance amongst the educated that God does not exist. There is also no rational reason for needing a God to create the Universe, life etc as all these can be explained by Science.

However, people still need a safe make-believe world where things can go the way they want them to go. Hence the growing belief in "miracles".

Christianity going back to its original position would be very sad indeed as in a lot of ways it was very oppressive.

well you say that and i dont agree! science has many holes in it! they cant explain many things! The problem is that christianity has been diluted by many man made philosphies and perverse practicies! if we stuck to the bible and done what we were meant to nothing more and nothing less it works! but the greek orthodox church dont do this and with there mumbo-jumbo and miracles they are just a money making machine and a way of keeping little old ladies dressed in black in line.

you say that christianity was oppressive how do you mean? i dont think that it was! in fact i think the opposite

"Holes" in science are just information in progress . . . in time, there is no foreseeable reason why they should not be filled.

As for oppressive, think what Christianity did to suppress the Heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo etc) of the solar system.

A further simple example in the Greek Orthodox church, women are restricted from practicing in priesthood, visiting behind the eikonostasi, and not that long ago had to sit separate from the men.

"information in progress" oh please is that the best the scientists can do? not good enough!

as i have already stated religions such as greek orthodox are rubbish!

you are just agreeing with me there! those rules you are complaining about are man made rules not in the bible therefore not christian whatsoever! you have the right to say the orthodox religion is wrong and i would agree with you 100 % but my point is that the they are not true christians! to be a christian is not to do just what the "baba" tells you

Your outright dismissal of science is purely a personal opinion.

Scientists do not perform "miracles" and as such are in a constant flux of research from where the answers usually arise. Instant results are not scientific.

Regarding your man made rules . . . all religions are man made. They are recorded by men and they are related by men as stories. Thus subject to distortion.

We have Human Rights, and we have strong moral codes as people inherent in our survival mechanisms, and therefore selected by evolution anyway. So we do not need a religion to be good people.

so basically what you are saying is that you believe you came from a monkey? well you are also welcome to your opinion ofcoarse and maybe you are right about yourself but my family never came from monkeys

Evolution is not about coming from "monkeys". We shared common ancestors with the apes and previous to that monkeys and previous to that rodents and previous to that marsupials etc etc down to basic DNA.

How do you explain the high degree of similarity between yourself and the Bonobo for example?

Do you now dispute evidence for Evolution?

Did God make a mistake with dinosaurs

[tessintrnc]

What has always amazed me is the way creation is related in Genesis in the order it happened. (not the 7 day bit though) First the sea - then the fishes etc etc . Although I believe in God I also believe in evolution. I do not think dinasaurs were a mistake - we have only been here for 5 minutes compared to them!!! I also doubt, the way we are going, that we will be here as long as they were. ............
Tess

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

christianity has become only beleiving in miracles.to whoever u talk about religion on island they are mentioning only miracles that this and that saint did there is no mention of GOD anywhere infact virgin marry has taken over the place that should be of only and only GOD not to any human being irrespective of as holy as marry or anyother.its very strange that we are in this age of science and still people around us are talking about miracles that can be good for people living in ages ago.i think we should discuss with everyone we know to bring back christianity to its original position.and think what we beleive do we practice as well???

Interesting commentary rajput.

Perhaps people are becoming disenchanted with religion. There is almost widespread acceptance amongst the educated that God does not exist. There is also no rational reason for needing a God to create the Universe, life etc as all these can be explained by Science.

However, people still need a safe make-believe world where things can go the way they want them to go. Hence the growing belief in "miracles".

Christianity going back to its original position would be very sad indeed as in a lot of ways it was very oppressive.

well you say that and i dont agree! science has many holes in it! they cant explain many things! The problem is that christianity has been diluted by many man made philosphies and perverse practicies! if we stuck to the bible and done what we were meant to nothing more and nothing less it works! but the greek orthodox church dont do this and with there mumbo-jumbo and miracles they are just a money making machine and a way of keeping little old ladies dressed in black in line.

you say that christianity was oppressive how do you mean? i dont think that it was! in fact i think the opposite

"Holes" in science are just information in progress . . . in time, there is no foreseeable reason why they should not be filled.

As for oppressive, think what Christianity did to suppress the Heliocentric model (Copernicus, Galileo etc) of the solar system.

A further simple example in the Greek Orthodox church, women are restricted from practicing in priesthood, visiting behind the eikonostasi, and not that long ago had to sit separate from the men.

"information in progress" oh please is that the best the scientists can do? not good enough!

as i have already stated religions such as greek orthodox are rubbish!

you are just agreeing with me there! those rules you are complaining about are man made rules not in the bible therefore not christian whatsoever! you have the right to say the orthodox religion is wrong and i would agree with you 100 % but my point is that the they are not true christians! to be a christian is not to do just what the "baba" tells you

Your outright dismissal of science is purely a personal opinion.

Scientists do not perform "miracles" and as such are in a constant flux of research from where the answers usually arise. Instant results are not scientific.

Regarding your man made rules . . . all religions are man made. They are recorded by men and they are related by men as stories. Thus subject to distortion.

We have Human Rights, and we have strong moral codes as people inherent in our survival mechanisms, and therefore selected by evolution anyway. So we do not need a religion to be good people.

so basically what you are saying is that you believe you came from a monkey? well you are also welcome to your opinion ofcoarse and maybe you are right about yourself but my family never came from monkeys

Evolution is not about coming from "monkeys". We shared common ancestors with the apes and previous to that monkeys and previous to that rodents and previous to that marsupials etc etc down to basic DNA.

How do you explain the high degree of similarity between yourself and the Bonobo for example?

Do you now dispute evidence for Evolution?

Did God make a mistake with dinosaurs

what a croc! so if we came from these "bonobo" monkeys as you put it how come they also exist then? genetically we share as much dna with monkeys as we do with cockroaches! so does that mean that we also came from those? despite what people have been told monkeys have totally different hips to us and that is why they cant walk in an upright position! yes i do dispute evolution! god did not make a mistake with dinosaurs, had you bothered to read the bible half as much as you read the writings of darwin et al you would know that god did create all manner of huge wild beasts that roamed the earth! before he ever created man. the answers are there, if we can be bothered to find them!

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

When Christianity was first "out and about" as it were, remember that this was a new religion. Many people that the deciples preached the message of Jesus to were ignorant, neither reading nor writing - so the message had to told in terms that they understood: i.e stories and parables. Of course people looked on these men as leaders (at least in the spiritual sense) I doubt very much if Jesus would approve the hiarachy or riches of the church as it is today, (any church is in his name whether Catholic or Orthodox). BUT, rich they are and as Phoenix quite rightly says - (we have the bible to show us the way) - at the end of the day - we make our own choices, rightly or wrongly. The bible says that God's mansion has many rooms, and I take this to mean that all GOOD people, whether Moslem, Jew, Orthodox or Catholic will be welcome in Heaven.
Tess
ps (not sure about Proddies though)

i think you have misunderstood tess! phoenix is basically saying that she believes in science and not god! i am the 1 saying that modern day religions are false and have come away from gods word, and no i dont think that god will allow people of all religions for salvation either! he has given us all the way to find him and those who dont too bad!

Thats why I put in brackets "WE have the bible" but we all have - regardless of whether we believe in Higher being or not, our OWN moral
upbringings and beliefs. I really do believe that all good people WILL go to a better place, regardless of which religion is followed. I asked my Priest when I was a child what happens to people in the Jungles where no-one has ever been to preach about Jesus and he said that "if you lead a good life - God will make room for you". Anyway we will all find out one day!!! (later rather than sooner -please God)

good point tess,

most people will have a chance to learn even those in deepest darkest jungles will have been visited by missionaries etc, perhaps the odd one that got away will have provisions made for him or her by the almighty, but those who have had a chance to repent but they continue to practice their idolatrous pagan religious, and bigoted beliefs, then they will not be redeemed! and yes i agree we will find out 1 day!