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[Eric dayi]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

Now I know for sure that you are an idiot who doesn't know his arse from his elbow never mind anything about the CypProb.

[Eric dayi]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

The constitution of 1960 gives reference to equality of both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities. Why else were there safeguards included in the document such as VP veto power? Also, the inclusion of Turkish as an equal status language to Greek and English, and equal status given to both Greek and Turkish national holidays makes it sound equal... at least IMHO.

The Turkish minority was given a lot of gains on our loss, thats a fact. This was part of the agreement that the Turks and the British made when they joined forces to fight against Cypriots to defeat our liberation struggle.

1) We TCs fought to save us from becoming "Greek Muslims" as is the case of Turks living in Greece.

2) We did not fight against "Cypriots", we fought against Greek Cypriots and Greeks who wanted to genocide us for their ENOSIS dream.

Still, there were no references about "equal partners". And in practice Greek Cypriots where given the President, and TCs the vice president. If TCs and GCs where "equal partners" then it would be a rotating presidency.

And now you greedy sods want it all, just like you did back in 1963 even after you signed the agreement. If you can't keep to your part of the agreement than you can blame yourselves for your own suffering.

Some street muggers loose their possessions and sometimes even their lives if they pick on the wrong person/s. That's what happened to you. You tried to steal from us and genocide us but you lost one third of the islandand got your people killed, now you are crying, whinging and whining.

Maybe you should have learned the meaning of "Never do unto others what you do not want them to do unto you" before you had a go at stealing and genociding.

[Viewpoint]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

I am really disappointed with your attitude Piratis, you are no different from your enosis demanding forefathers, you are trying to reduce TCs to a level of just any old minority when we have never been and never will be. Everything you say for me puts a nail in the coffin of unification, we had veto rights and Vice Presidency, we are partners and the UN supports this by stating a future solution shoudl be based on BBF with equal polical power. I have to state that we will never agree a solution and at best all we can do is argue our side of the issue and if need be fight for what we believe is right.

[Nikitas]

You know VP, if you think about it if there was a system of one man on vote with no guaranteed community rights the TCs would have more real political power in Cyprus than they got in the 1960 constitution or under the proposed Annan plan.

An 18 per cent share of the overall vote would make the TCs the power makers on the island. I am onot proposing this, just commenting about it in connection to the above posts. The moslems in Greece are about 1 per cent of the population and they return two to three members of parliament and get a substantial part of the local elections. By analogy the TCs with 18 per cent would not only manage to vote their own members of Parliament, they would be the deciding factor in which GCs would win seats.

If the TCs were voting in the February elections, where the three GC candidates have a difference of two or three percentage points, the TC vote would be the clear decider. If this were the reality something tells me that all three candidates would be making some of their speeches in perfect Kibrislica.

[zan]

You know VP, if you think about it if there was a system of one man on vote with no guaranteed community rights the TCs would have more real political power in Cyprus than they got in the 1960 constitution or under the proposed Annan plan.

An 18 per cent share of the overall vote would make the TCs the power makers on the island. I am onot proposing this, just commenting about it in connection to the above posts. The moslems in Greece are about 1 per cent of the population and they return two to three members of parliament and get a substantial part of the local elections. By analogy the TCs with 18 per cent would not only manage to vote their own members of Parliament, they would be the deciding factor in which GCs would win seats.

If the TCs were voting in the February elections, where the three GC candidates have a difference of two or three percentage points, the TC vote would be the clear decider. If this were the reality something tells me that all three candidates would be making some of their speeches in perfect Kibrislica.

I am not a gambler....Why not just have the guarantees in place.

The fact that we would be seen as deserting the majority of GCs just by giving our vote to the lesser of the two would not be beneficial...Can you imagine he arguments in which we would just be marginalised as the floating voters set to destroy he the majority vote...Please you guys...Try to think about the negatives in the scenarios you pose because unless you are prepared for them they will bite you in the arse. I don't mean that you should be dictated to by the negatives but better preparation never hurt anyone...Hey! Lets give the pensioners a pound more this year so they vote us in...We don't really care that inflation has gone way above that but it will mean that we will win the election.....

[Nikitas]

Hey, it was not a proposal it was a thought!

One draw parallels. Hispanics were the subject of jokes in the USA not so long ago, now one of the presidential cadidates is Hispanic and in many states Spanish is an official language. If the USA had a constitution like ours a minority community member would not be able to enter the election. There are things to think about beyond the 1960 agreements and the various plans hatched by foreigners.

The thing to ask for is a combination of guarantees AND a fully democratic system. It is still confusing why we look at systems that do not allow ALL citizens to be candidates for the presidency and of course ALL vote for the president in combination with a minority vice president. The argument that "the GCs will not go for it" may turn out to be true, but we do not know till we bring it out in the open and discuss it.

[Viewpoint]

You know VP, if you think about it if there was a system of one man on vote with no guaranteed community rights the TCs would have more real political power in Cyprus than they got in the 1960 constitution or under the proposed Annan plan.

An 18 per cent share of the overall vote would make the TCs the power makers on the island. I am onot proposing this, just commenting about it in connection to the above posts. The moslems in Greece are about 1 per cent of the population and they return two to three members of parliament and get a substantial part of the local elections. By analogy the TCs with 18 per cent would not only manage to vote their own members of Parliament, they would be the deciding factor in which GCs would win seats.

If the TCs were voting in the February elections, where the three GC candidates have a difference of two or three percentage points, the TC vote would be the clear decider. If this were the reality something tells me that all three candidates would be making some of their speeches in perfect Kibrislica.

Would such a system be open to manipulation? could the 80% GC block vote in a Greek Cypriot monkey against a 18% TC vote??

[Eric dayi]

You know VP, if you think about it if there was a system of one man on vote with no guaranteed community rights the TCs would have more real political power in Cyprus than they got in the 1960 constitution or under the proposed Annan plan.

An 18 per cent share of the overall vote would make the TCs the power makers on the island. I am onot proposing this, just commenting about it in connection to the above posts. The moslems in Greece are about 1 per cent of the population and they return two to three members of parliament and get a substantial part of the local elections. By analogy the TCs with 18 per cent would not only manage to vote their own members of Parliament, they would be the deciding factor in which GCs would win seats.

If the TCs were voting in the February elections, where the three GC candidates have a difference of two or three percentage points, the TC vote would be the clear decider. If this were the reality something tells me that all three candidates would be making some of their speeches in perfect Kibrislica.

Would such a system be open to manipulation? could the 80% GC block vote in a Greek Cypriot monkey against a 18% TC vote??

You bet they would.

I think Nikitas confused himself while trying to confuse us. I am sure he believes we TCs have no education whatsoever and least of all in maths.

It really must be very hard for any Turk hating GC to realise they are not superior to us TCs and they can't fool us.

[Nikitas]

Eric said:

"You bet they would.

I think Nikitas confused himself while trying to confuse us. I am sure he believes we TCs have no education whatsoever and least of all in maths.

It really must be very hard for any Turk hating GC to realise they are not superior to us TCs and they can't fool us."

Not maths Eric, just simple arithmetic. Nothing confusing about it. If there was a float of 18 per cent of the votes out there then that vote would swing the election in February and it would do so from round one, no need to go to round two. There is not doubt about it.

I did stress in the post that it was not a proposal, it was a thought. Now how did you get from that to the Turk hating and superiority stuff I cannot understand.

[Nikitas]

VP,

Politician don simply want to be elected, once elected they want to be re-elected, and possibly many times over.

A politician who wants to be re-elected tries to please his voters. Think about all this in relation to blocking votes and fooling voters. And also please try to remember that we are now in 2008 with a free press, international radio and TV channels available to all and the Internet at the end of every telephone. We are not in 1963.

Like I said in theat post, it was thinking out loud, not a proposal. I am still wondering if a straight forward situation would not give the TCs a great say in what happens at all levels of politics and government than a system of weighted minority votes etc.

You looked at it from the point of GCs being the only potential evil doers. Equally one could ask what if the 18 per cent wanted to subvert the system by voting en bloc, and thus manipulating the result on ethnic grounds rather than on political ones. You see how it cuts both ways?