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[Piratis]

The status of RoC is 100% legal. You are welcome to take back your official position at RoC whenever you decide to accept legality and stop pretending that you are not citizens of RoC but citizens of some "trnc".

The price we are more than willing to pay so as long as we are not a minority amongst GCs, without community rights.

You can have the community rights any other minority has. The Kurds in Turkey are a minority bigger than yours. What rights do you give them? What rights do you give to the Greek minority in Turkey?

We are not a minority...We are partners in Cyprus......We will not give up that right...

You are the 18% and therefore a minority. Your rights are the same rights as every other Cypriot + minority rights.

if you are not a minority then the Greeks in Turkey are not a minority either, nor are the Kurds. You can't apply double standards as it suits you.

[zan]

The status of RoC is 100% legal. You are welcome to take back your official position at RoC whenever you decide to accept legality and stop pretending that you are not citizens of RoC but citizens of some "trnc".

The price we are more than willing to pay so as long as we are not a minority amongst GCs, without community rights.

You can have the community rights any other minority has. The Kurds in Turkey are a minority bigger than yours. What rights do you give them? What rights do you give to the Greek minority in Turkey?

We are not a minority...We are partners in Cyprus......We will not give up that right...

You are the 18% and therefore a minority. Your rights are the same rights as every other Cypriot + minority rights.

if you are not a minority then the Greeks in Turkey are not a minority either, nor are the Kurds. You can't apply double standards as it suits you.

Stop trying to compare Cyprus to other countries....There is no other country with such a history so the conditions for it's people are different too. You want just what suits you and the common sense approach eludes you. Conditions were such that a partnership was needed and still it is needed. That or you can stay in your 63% and we will stay in ours......

[Piratis]

The only difference in Cyprus is that Cyprus was not allowed its freedom and self determination and the British and Turks continued to impose their will on us even after their rule was officially over.

The common sense approach is to allow Cyprus to be a normal democratic country like all the rest and cut the excuses.

These elements define the fundamental elements of all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, and economy. Despite their enormous differences as nations and societies, the essential elements of constitutional government--majority rule coupled with individual and minority rights, and the rule of law--can be found in Canada and Costa Rica, France and Botswana, Japan and India.

[zan]

The only difference in Cyprus is that Cyprus was not allowed its freedom and self determination and the British and Turks continued to impose their will on us even after their rule was officially over.

The common sense approach is to allow Cyprus to be a normal democratic country like all the rest and cut the excuses.

These elements define the fundamental elements of all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, and economy. Despite their enormous differences as nations and societies, the essential elements of constitutional government--majority rule coupled with individual and minority rights, and the rule of law--can be found in Canada and Costa Rica, France and Botswana, Japan and India.

You should have put it to the vote hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

Cyprus is special my friend and you trying to put a spin on the conditions is telling more than you know........You know very well that what you are asking was impossible and that the democratic way to go was what happened in the Zurich agreement and if you had not reneged on what you signed then we could have changed it to whatever we wanted as Cypriots.......You just want to claim it as a GReek island in line with the Megali idea and all this bullshit about democracy is just that......I do hope that Nikitas comes into this conversation because he said that Greece didn't even want you.........You guys can't have it always mate and you will not be allowed to!!!!

[Eric dayi]

The status of RoC is 100% legal. You are welcome to take back your official position at RoC whenever you decide to accept legality and stop pretending that you are not citizens of RoC but citizens of some "trnc".

The price we are more than willing to pay so as long as we are not a minority amongst GCs, without community rights.

You can have the community rights any other minority has. The Kurds in Turkey are a minority bigger than yours. What rights do you give them? What rights do you give to the Greek minority in Turkey?

You can stick your "RoC" and "minority rights" right up where the sun don't shine sunshine, an agreement is an agreement in any legal court and if you break it then it is you who is illegal.

Let's face it bozo, you will not accept us as equal partners as was agreed in 1960 and we will not accept to be a minority in our own country, so there's only one choice left and that is what has already happened, partition.

Unification will not happen under your stupid conditions and like it or not the international community and especially the EU will not wait for you idiots to make your minds up for ever and sooner or later they will recognise the TRNC and tell you to sit down, shut up and behave.

You've tried everything to get us TCs to surrender since 1963 but have failed what makes you think that you will get your ENOSIS in the future?
You have no chance whatsoever

Have you ever stopped and gave it a thought why you haven't won and why the international community never let you win? Do you want me to tell you or are you grown up enough to work it out for yourself?

On second thoughts, I'll let you work it out, why should I put an end to your misery when you don't care about my people at all?

[Piratis]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

[oranos64]

Let's just say, for some reason, the ROC was forced to accept a legal partition. What would the conditions be?
Would there be two separate countries.
Would there a be a border and visas needed to cross to the other side?
Would the TCs have a different passport?
Would the TCs cease to have any benefits from the ROC?
Would they loose all the land they own in the ROC?
Would they be part of EU and travel freely to the the ROC and live and work there?
Would the ROC citizens be free to go to the north and live and work there like any European?
Would all rightful owners of properties be able to sell freely there property to anyone?

Can someone shed some light?

im all for it ,.,,,having seen kosovo and now what is happening in beguim ,...and i up for two nations under god ,one rock ,different cultures working togeather but separetly ,sharing resources but keeoing distance ,,,

$$$$ TO SPRUCE UP ECONOMIES OF BOTH CULTURES ...

deal done ,,,,happy U.S ,HAPPY UK ...HAPPY CYPS

[Eric dayi]

Let's just say, for some reason, the ROC was forced to accept a legal partition. What would the conditions be?

Would there be two separate countries.

When you "partition" something than usually you've than got two haven't you?

i.e: If I partition one big room I have two smaller rooms, right?

Or maybe the meaning of "partition" has been changed just for Cyprus?????

Would there a be a border and visas needed to cross to the other side?

As long as the TRNC isn't in the EU then yes, just like any other non EU country. If the TRNC joins the EU then it'll be just like any other EU country, obvious isn't it?

Would the TCs have a different passport?

If we needed visas to cross over to the South than I would have thought that we would have a different passport than you would have in the South.
Or would the South be happy to issue it's passports to non-citizens?

Would the TCs cease to have any benefits from the ROC?

That would depend if the TCs are living in the TRNC or in the South of course.

Would they loose all the land they own in the ROC?

That depends if you loose all your lands in the TRNC does it not? Or do you think that you can keep your lands in the TRNC and our lands in the South as well?

Would they be part of EU and travel freely to the the ROC and live and work there?

That depends on the EU and on the TCs/TRNC but as the whole of Cyprus is within the EU boundaries do you think that the EU will want to loose land and pull it's border back to the Green Line? Somehow I don't believe that and I doubt very much that you or any straight thinking GC believes
it either?

Would the ROC citizens be free to go to the north and live and work there like any European?

Again, depends on if the TRNC becomes an EU country or not. But in such a small country in order not to become a minority in our own country we could restrict the number of "foreigners" allowed to live and work in our country. I believe some EU countries have already applied this law.

Would all rightful owners of properties be able to sell freely there property to anyone?

More than likely, those who have lost land will be compensated somehow so no, they will not.

Can someone shed some light?

Yep, here you go.

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[utu]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

The constitution of 1960 gives reference to equality of both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities. Why else were there safeguards included in the document such as VP veto power? Also, the inclusion of Turkish as an equal status language to Greek and English, and equal status given to both Greek and Turkish national holidays makes it sound equal... at least IMHO.

[Piratis]

We never made any agreement with you that you are equal partner. Did you dream of it? If there is such agreement then show me the part of this agreement where it says that the 82% majority and the 18% minority are equal partners.

We never agreed to such thing and we will never will. An 18% minority can not be equated to the 82% majority. Democracy means one person one vote, no racist discriminations based on ethnicity.

If you like such system then why don't you apply it in Turkey and make the Kurds equal partners instead of bombing and killing them?

The constitution of 1960 gives reference to equality of both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities. Why else were there safeguards included in the document such as VP veto power? Also, the inclusion of Turkish as an equal status language to Greek and English, and equal status given to both Greek and Turkish national holidays makes it sound equal... at least IMHO.

The Turkish minority was given a lot of gains on our loss, thats a fact. This was part of the agreement that the Turks and the British made when they joined forces to fight against Cypriots to defeat our liberation struggle.

Still, there were no references about "equal partners". And in practice Greek Cypriots where given the President, and TCs the vice president. If TCs and GCs where "equal partners" then it would be a rotating presidency.