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[paliometoxo]

i think other countries has learnt not to force cyprus into anything from the 1960' agreement we will never be forced into it

[Nikitas]

Kafenes,

I too have pondered many times the "next day" if partition were ever to be formalised, as opposed the informal state of affairs we have now.

Would they become automatically members of the EU? There would be objections from smaller states like Malta and Luxembourg who had to work their asses off to get their economies up to EU standards. They would not accept a free pass for the TRNC.

As to the formalities of moving across the border, it would all depend on the agreements made according to he principle of mutuality and EU regulations. If TRNC is not a member of the EU there would have to be passport control. If both are in the EU there would be no customs or visas.

The property issue is the most interesting part. If both are members of the EU then the citizens of both would have the right to reside and own property in both. The free movement of goods, capital and people is the foundation of the free market in the EU, you cannot bypass it with local laws.

[Kikapu]

Kafenes,



Would they become automatically members of the EU? There would be objections from smaller states like Malta and Luxembourg who had to work their asses off to get their economies up to EU standards. They would not accept a free pass for the TRNC.

If the "TRNC" were to become automatically a EU member, and god knows how that will happen with all the violations of Human Rights that are in place right now, then Turkey will be demanding 50,000 new "TRNC Citizenship's" to Turks every week and not only for the 13th salary blackmail she is demanding right now. Within few years, all of Turkey will have EU Citizens without even being a member.!! Lets see if the "TRNC" is willing to sell "citizenship's" for money, and not for a lot of money at that, I may add. A 13th salary cannot be worth more than few hundred dollars on average. If they "prostitute" themselves on this one, then it wont be long before they will be blackmailed on the 12th salary, then the 11th, then the 10th and so on. Before too long, the TC's will be blackmailed in everything that can be taken away from them. How long before the TC's will be telling the newly arriving Turks in the "TRNC"...."welcome to your country".!!!

[Viewpoint]

Kafenes,



Would they become automatically members of the EU? There would be objections from smaller states like Malta and Luxembourg who had to work their asses off to get their economies up to EU standards. They would not accept a free pass for the TRNC.

If the "TRNC" were to become automatically a EU member, and god knows how that will happen with all the violations of Human Rights that are in place right now, then Turkey will be demanding 50,000 new "TRNC Citizenship's" to Turks every week and not only for the 13th salary blackmail she is demanding right now. Within few years, all of Turkey will have EU Citizens without even being a member.!! Lets see if the "TRNC" is willing to sell "citizenship's" for money, and not for a lot of money at that, I may add. A 13th salary cannot be worth more than few hundred dollars on average. If they "prostitute" themselves on this one, then it wont be long before they will be blackmailed on the 12th salary, then the 11th, then the 10th and so on. Before too long, the TC's will be blackmailed in everything that can be taken away from them. How long before the TC's will be telling the newly arriving Turks in the "TRNC"...."welcome to your country".!!!

No need for the crap you have just written where you have belittled and ridiculed the people you claim to come from (which I still do not believe)we will not automatically become part of the EU until a time we decided we want to join and met all the necessary criteria, but dont worry you will always have the right to veto..

[Kikapu]

Kafenes,



Would they become automatically members of the EU? There would be objections from smaller states like Malta and Luxembourg who had to work their asses off to get their economies up to EU standards. They would not accept a free pass for the TRNC.

If the "TRNC" were to become automatically a EU member, and god knows how that will happen with all the violations of Human Rights that are in place right now, then Turkey will be demanding 50,000 new "TRNC Citizenship's" to Turks every week and not only for the 13th salary blackmail she is demanding right now. Within few years, all of Turkey will have EU Citizens without even being a member.!! Lets see if the "TRNC" is willing to sell "citizenship's" for money, and not for a lot of money at that, I may add. A 13th salary cannot be worth more than few hundred dollars on average. If they "prostitute" themselves on this one, then it wont be long before they will be blackmailed on the 12th salary, then the 11th, then the 10th and so on. Before too long, the TC's will be blackmailed in everything that can be taken away from them. How long before the TC's will be telling the newly arriving Turks in the "TRNC"...."welcome to your country".!!!

No need for the crap you have just written where you have belittled and ridiculed the people you claim to come from (which I still do not believe)we will not automatically become part of the EU until a time we decided we want to join and met all the necessary criteria, but dont worry you will always have the right to veto..

No VP, I'm not belittling the TC's in the "TRNC", but rather the "Pigs in the Animal Farm" that you align yourself with, along with all the other Partitionist. I'm actually proud of the majority of the True TC's who have said NO to Partition in the recent survey...almost 70% of them. Were you not the one who has tried to convince us, that you spoke for the majority of the TC's....Hardly, wouldn't you say.!!! Is that why further 50,000 Turks are needed to be given "TRNC Citizenship" for you to be speaking for the majority.?? Why don't you tell us, as to what the reasons are, that Turkey wants further 50,000 "TRNC Citizens" VP. Lets see if you can tell us the truth, so that you can live up to your New Years Resolution, to start telling the truth from now on, or at least I hope that you have made such a Resolution for 2008..

[halil]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said new initiatives are expected to be launched towards finding a solution to the Cyprus Problem following the ‘Presidential’ elections in South Cyprus next month.Pointing to soaring relations between the two sides on the island, the President said `the United Nations could consider other options, if a new initiative fails to bring a positive outcome`.
In an interview to the TAK news agency, the President said although the outcome of the February elections in South Cyprus will not affect the launch of a new negotiations process on the Cyprus issue, it will surely affect the result of the process.

Pointing to deteriorating relations between the two sides on the island, the President said that a new initiative could be the last to be launched on the Cyprus issue and the United Nations could consider other options, if it fails to bring a positive outcome.

Noting that the Cyprus Problem has been continuing for too long and continues to emerge as a problem for the international community at every platform, President Talat said `the Cyprus Problem had experienced a sleepy year in 2007 but new developments should be expected in the coming months`.

Accusing the Greek Cypriot Side resorting to delaying tactics despite the opportunity created by the 8-July Agreement, Mr Talat said the Turkish Cypriot Side and the international community, including the European Union, could no longer tolerate the Greek Cypriot Side’s intransigent attitude.

Warning that an initiative launched in 2008 could be the last chance for a solution in Cyprus, the President said that failure to get a positive result out of the new process, could prompt the United Nations to seek alternative solutions in Cyprus.

“I don’t know what these alternatives could be, but the division between the two sides are deepening and relations are deteriorating by the day” he noted.

[halil]

President Mehmet Ali Talat has said new initiatives are expected to be launched towards finding a solution to the Cyprus Problem following the ‘Presidential’ elections in South Cyprus next month.Pointing to soaring relations between the two sides on the island, the President said `the United Nations could consider other options, if a new initiative fails to bring a positive outcome`.
In an interview to the TAK news agency, the President said although the outcome of the February elections in South Cyprus will not affect the launch of a new negotiations process on the Cyprus issue, it will surely affect the result of the process.

Pointing to deteriorating relations between the two sides on the island, the President said that a new initiative could be the last to be launched on the Cyprus issue and the United Nations could consider other options, if it fails to bring a positive outcome.

Noting that the Cyprus Problem has been continuing for too long and continues to emerge as a problem for the international community at every platform, President Talat said `the Cyprus Problem had experienced a sleepy year in 2007 but new developments should be expected in the coming months`.

Accusing the Greek Cypriot Side resorting to delaying tactics despite the opportunity created by the 8-July Agreement, Mr Talat said the Turkish Cypriot Side and the international community, including the European Union, could no longer tolerate the Greek Cypriot Side’s intransigent attitude.

Warning that an initiative launched in 2008 could be the last chance for a solution in Cyprus, the President said that failure to get a positive result out of the new process, could prompt the United Nations to seek alternative solutions in Cyprus.

“I don’t know what these alternatives could be, but the division between the two sides are deepening and relations are deteriorating by the day” he noted.

Papadopoulos will ‘divide Cyprus':

Talat says that the eyes of the world are on the elections of Greek Cyprus, with everyone waiting for that result and that it is as if a “last ditch is being experienced.”

He says that he believes a large majority of Greek Cypriots are interested in establishing a meaningful dialogue with Turkish Cypriots. [size=18]That was why the Greek Cypriot leader was offering to have a face-to-face meeting with him on the eve of the polls]. Talat also says while he cannot accept becoming fodder for Papadopoulos' election campaign, as a person of dialogue he would not say “no” to an invitation from his counterpart. Yet, Talat says if Papadopoulos is re-elected, he is ready to meet with him wherever and whenever he wants.

Talat underlines that he does not believe success can be assured in talks with Papadopoulos. “Since he refuses to share political power with us, and refrains from dialogue, it is obvious that Papadopoulos will eventually lead the island to permanent partition,” he says.

Talat, however, adds it is up to the Greek Cypriot people to elect their leader and he would not make a preference on their behalf.

He says that the two peoples of the island are more distant and more displeased with each other compared to the 2004 referenda on the Annan plan.

“There is divergence in the heads and in the brains. Separation and serious deployment has been experienced from political elite through to the public. If this situation continues after 2008, separation becomes more permanent. The whole world sees this. For this reason, last chances are being used in Cyprus. Last attempts will be made to find a solution within the UN framework. Everyone will endure the consequences.”

Talat said that the Greek Cypriots had cheated the world before the 2004 referenda with their claim that “Turks don't want a solution.” With the referenda on the Annan plan, however, the situation changed because Turkish Cypriots showed the world that they sincerely wanted a compromise solution.

The Greek Cypriot presidential elections in 2008 are awaited impatiently by the whole world Talat said:

“The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon says ‘2008 will be an important year' in his latest report. Therefore we can expect the UN to take the initiative right after the elections. We are getting ready for that day. We are channeling our energy to that day by preserving our policy, our attention and preparing policies for the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot people and, of course, Turkey. The question of whether this negotiation process has a possibility to start or not has no definite answer; because it is up to the attitude of those on the Greek Cypriot side. If the Greek Cypriots say: ‘We are ready to start the negotiations' tomorrow, the negotiations will start. We are in favor of negotiations. If they accept, it means that negotiations will start after the 2008 elections. We should be ready. Considering that there will be an international campaign besides a big war of nerves, we should complete preparations and be ready for this day by strengthening our unity.”

[Viewpoint]

Kafenes,



Would they become automatically members of the EU? There would be objections from smaller states like Malta and Luxembourg who had to work their asses off to get their economies up to EU standards. They would not accept a free pass for the TRNC.

If the "TRNC" were to become automatically a EU member, and god knows how that will happen with all the violations of Human Rights that are in place right now, then Turkey will be demanding 50,000 new "TRNC Citizenship's" to Turks every week and not only for the 13th salary blackmail she is demanding right now. Within few years, all of Turkey will have EU Citizens without even being a member.!! Lets see if the "TRNC" is willing to sell "citizenship's" for money, and not for a lot of money at that, I may add. A 13th salary cannot be worth more than few hundred dollars on average. If they "prostitute" themselves on this one, then it wont be long before they will be blackmailed on the 12th salary, then the 11th, then the 10th and so on. Before too long, the TC's will be blackmailed in everything that can be taken away from them. How long before the TC's will be telling the newly arriving Turks in the "TRNC"...."welcome to your country".!!!

No need for the crap you have just written where you have belittled and ridiculed the people you claim to come from (which I still do not believe)we will not automatically become part of the EU until a time we decided we want to join and met all the necessary criteria, but dont worry you will always have the right to veto..

No VP, I'm not belittling the TC's in the "TRNC", but rather the "Pigs in the Animal Farm" that you align yourself with, along with all the other Partitionist. I'm actually proud of the majority of the True TC's who have said NO to Partition in the recent survey...almost 70% of them. Were you not the one who has tried to convince us, that you spoke for the majority of the TC's....Hardly, wouldn't you say.!!! Is that why further 50,000 Turks are needed to be given "TRNC Citizenship" for you to be speaking for the majority.?? Why don't you tell us, as to what the reasons are, that Turkey wants further 50,000 "TRNC Citizens" VP. Lets see if you can tell us the truth, so that you can live up to your New Years Resolution, to start telling the truth from now on, or at least I hope that you have made such a Resolution for 2008..

I don't lie, it only seems that way to you because I do not say what you want to hear. Well tough luck I will say what I feel right here from the heart the TC community, where does your comments come from the mind of a 9yo back in 1963??? A mind which manipulates and contorts figures, comments and facts to suit his own warped version of events and twisted mindset. Look at the facts, has the 13th Salary been paid..Yes, has 50.000 people been made citizens of the TRNC ...No...the rest is just your verbal diarrhoea.

Finally read back your posts the tone and vulgarity especially towards TCs is clear for everyone to see, so saying you do not ridicule or insult TCs does not cover up a darn thing, you are guilty as charged.

[paaul12]

What If There Was Partition:

Where have you been, there is already partition, vote for Papadopoulos and it will finally be confirmed to the rest of the world, and then the unjust isolations, embargoes, on the people of the TRNC can finally be removed.

Don’t you just know 2008 is going to be a great year for the TRNC


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[RebelWithoutAPause]

Viewpoint wrote

I don't lie

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