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Postby Kikapu » Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:40 pm

utu wrote:Kikapu, I do oppose it. It is worth noting though that after World War 2, the Eastern European states expelled not only the German settlers who the Nazis brought in, but also those ethnic Germans who were there before the Nazis came to power. The Sudeten Germans of Czechoslovakia come to mind. The rationale is that these countries who suffered under the Nazis would no longer have the proverbial 'gun to the head' in case Germany ever became agressive again. This policy was approved by the United Nations. Is this an acceptable variant of Ethnic Cleansing?

The removal of ethnic Indians from newly independent African Nations was sanctioned by the old Organization of African Unity (now the African Union) as "removing a legacy of colonialism". It mattered not that most of them were third or fourth generation from the original Indians brought in by the British. If you were not African, out you went. Is the philosophy of ethnic cleansing applied in post-colonial Africa similarly acceptable?


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In all the examples you have given above, aside from the German Settlers that the Nazis brought into Eastern Europe, should NOT have been expelled or Ethnically Cleansed. Since they were, then using your examples, the GC's then had every right to expel us TC's from the island as soon as the British Rule ended in Cyprus, just by simply declaring that we were brought in by the Invading Ottomans 400 years ago, where as Turkey had no legitimate excuse to Ethnically Cleanse anyone in Cyprus, since they are not part of the island, nor were their own people (Turks). By now, I would have thought that those TC's who have been living on the island for the last 400 years or so will want to be Cypriots and not Ottomans, but obviously we have several losers on this forum who see themselves as Ottomans still.

Now, there is a little difference in Ethnic Cleansing occurring as a result of wars, but simply having a war to cause Ethnic Cleansing is another story, as the case can be made against Turkey in Cyprus. As for the Turkish Settlers, they are definitely on the short list of who should be expelled from Cyprus before any one else can be ethnically Cleansed from their land, since they were brought in by the Turks just as the Germans were brought in by the Nazis into Eastern Europe to change the demographics of the island. Any peace settlement in the future will no doubt will request this to happen with exceptions being made to some, but not necessarily given Cypriot Citizenship at once to those who are not deported. This will also apply to anyone that may have been brought into the RoC under similar basis as the Turkish Settlers. The difference with the Turkish settlers, they see themselves as Turks first before anything else, so sending them back to their country of Citizenship and Nationality will not be any disposition on them nor will they notice anything different in Turkey from what they have in the "TRNC", since being in the "TRNC" has become "little Turkey" for all intensive purposes. The Turkish settlers now can only be "home, away from home"..
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:23 pm

Turks vs GCs, Turks wins everytime.
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Postby humanist » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:51 pm

so VP you reallly are Turk impersonating. No wonder you ready to hand your country over to Turkey.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:23 am

humanist wrote:so VP you reallly are Turk impersonating. No wonder you ready to hand your country over to Turkey.


Im not a Turk but a Turkish Cypriot, why is it so difficult to understand, I have a commonality with Turks and Cypriots but if you asked me to choose between the 2 taking into account where we are today I would choose the Turks everytime.

Can you try and honestly tell me why??? Do you really understand why???
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Postby phoenix » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:27 am

Viewpoint wrote:Turks vs GCs, Turks wins everytime.


Aaaaahhh! . . . . but what about Turks vs TCs . . . Do Turks still win every time :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby bilako22 » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:30 am

Of course Turks win at all times.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:52 am

phoenix wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Turks vs GCs, Turks wins everytime.


Aaaaahhh! . . . . but what about Turks vs TCs . . . Do Turks still win every time :lol: :lol: :lol:


No need to choose can have both.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:59 am

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:so VP you reallly are Turk impersonating. No wonder you ready to hand your country over to Turkey.


Im not a Turk but a Turkish Cypriot, why is it so difficult to understand, I have a commonality with Turks and Cypriots but if you asked me to choose between the 2 taking into account where we are today I would choose the Turks everytime.

Can you try and honestly tell me why??? Do you really understand why???


VP,

If I may ask you respectfully, has your twin daughters started dating, gotten engaged or married yet, and if so, are they with Turks or TC's.

I'm just trying to connect the dots here as to the way you feel and act anytime Turk is mentioned. You may have a vested interest in what you are saying about Turks.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:23 am

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:so VP you reallly are Turk impersonating. No wonder you ready to hand your country over to Turkey.


Im not a Turk but a Turkish Cypriot, why is it so difficult to understand, I have a commonality with Turks and Cypriots but if you asked me to choose between the 2 taking into account where we are today I would choose the Turks everytime.

Can you try and honestly tell me why??? Do you really understand why???


VP,

If I may ask you respectfully, has your twin daughters started dating, gotten engaged or married yet, and if so, are they with Turks or TC's.

I'm just trying to connect the dots here as to the way you feel and act anytime Turk is mentioned. You may have a vested interest in what you are saying about Turks.


I dont have twin daughters, what makes you think that?
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Postby humanist » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:38 am

VP I find it very difficult to understand indeed. I can not understand unless you immediate family or the generation before you is Turkish that you identify with something that you have no connection to for over 500 years. Similar I do not understand an Australian who says they are British because 5 generations ago their ancestors came to Australia. Its not a Turkish thing only.

I can appreciate that T-C identifies as a Turkish Cypriot because if I am correct his father is Turkish and mother Cypriot who speaks Turkish.


I guess it is the same when am called Greek or Greek Cypriot when I just want to be called Cypriot because in my family tree which I have traced back 5 generations I have only Cypriot ancestry and Italian. I do not have a need to go back to pre historic times to find if indeed I have Greek ancestry, perhaps am phoenician for all I know but my family adopted the greek language during the helenic period, who knows.
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