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phoenix
. . . as I suspected, you think and believe you are truly special

Pathetic . . .

But what is wrong with answering the main concern of TC's, where in our opinion 'one man, one vote' can (and this is what we are fearful of) will be used against the TC community as a whole. Who do we turn to once we agree to a solution without safeguards, knowing full well what went on in the past ? And please don't say the EU or the UN.

Why is it so difficult to understand this ?

I don't understand how you can desire to live under a Democracy but refuse to integrate . . . because that is what I understand from the desire to keep yourselves as a special community with special needs, that do not fit in with the needs of normal everyday people.

LondonBoy, do you have a vote as a democratic citizen in the UK? I'll bet yes. Do you also have a "special" vote as an immigrant (2nd generation, whatever)? I'll bet not.

Well what is the difference? Even if you lived in Turkey, you would only have the one vote and not all things will go your way . . . same everywhere.

BUT you can guarantee that most things will go your way because in the end the government is about providing those everyday things that we all use, hospitals, education, social services etc. Or, do you want segregation in all these provisions?

How are these provisions going to fall short of the TC communities requirements if they are OK for GCs, Brits abroad etc. ?

The Turk-TCs already use these provisions at the moment as it is anyway but I suppose they are getting that "special" treatment they desire by not contributing to the cost

If you need to ask the above you are more ignorant than I thought and you know nothing about TCs, your viewpoint is blinkered by your obvious hate for anything Turkish. We want safeguards because we do not trust you, I know you have great difficulty understand this but we cannot be more blunt...due to our past we do not trust you one inch and until we can build trust and cooperation, experiencing first hand that you do not have hidden agendas against the TC community we will not take any risks by throwing away what we have today the TRNC.

[denizaksulu]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

Phoenix mou,

So what was Pres. Makarios improving. It was not for our benefit, but for the GCs benefit. He merely wanted to put the TCs in a no win situation so he could justify the Akritas Plan.

If you were around at the time , with the debates on the Municipalities with the intended reforms, you would have had first hand knowledge of what was going on. By not allowing for separate Municipalities he was ensuring that the economic situation and living conditions of the TCs were at the mercy of the numerically superior GC numbers. These were already evident from 1960 to 1963. Every progress was blocked by the majority. Given the choices at the present time, what do you think the majority of TCs will opt for? Be their own masters or be subservient to the GC majority?

Regards

[denizaksulu]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

[phoenix]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

[denizaksulu]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

Dear Phoenix, my intention was not to hurt your feelings anymore than they already are. Its all terrible. I cannot deny your mums heroics. Greece did indeed suffer as a result of the post war strife.

Only today I was reading a link re: the Koccina fighting and the aerial bombardment. The article gave the total G/GC losses as around 200 of which civilians amounted to around 50 ish. Which in itself is too much.

Then the first casualty in war is always the truth. (I am not casting aspersions on what you are saying , I refer to the report I had read today). I will try and find it. It was posted today. You might have come accross it.

[phoenix]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

Dear Phoenix, my intention was not to hurt your feelings anymore than they already are. Its all terrible. I cannot deny your mums heroics. Greece did indeed suffer as a result of the post war strife.

Only today I was reading a link re: the Koccina fighting and the aerial bombardment. The article gave the total G/GC losses as around 200 of which civilians amounted to around 50 ish. Which in itself is too much.

Then the first casualty in war is always the truth. (I am not casting aspersions on what you are saying , I refer to the report I had read today). I will try and find it. It was posted today. You might have come accross it.

You have not hurt my feelings.

Please find the report . . . I would like to fit some puzzling memories together and compile some questions for remaining relatives when I am back home.

[denizaksulu]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

Dear Phoenix, my intention was not to hurt your feelings anymore than they already are. Its all terrible. I cannot deny your mums heroics. Greece did indeed suffer as a result of the post war strife.

Only today I was reading a link re: the Koccina fighting and the aerial bombardment. The article gave the total G/GC losses as around 200 of which civilians amounted to around 50 ish. Which in itself is too much.

Then the first casualty in war is always the truth. (I am not casting aspersions on what you are saying , I refer to the report I had read today). I will try and find it. It was posted today. You might have come accross it.

You have not hurt my feelings.

Please find the report . . . I would like to fit some puzzling memories together and compile some questions for remaining relatives when I am back home.

Phoenix mou, I found the link and when you go to the Chronology section you will find this:


Official casualty figures issued by the Cyprus Government show that 55 Greek-Cypriots were killed and 125 were wounded. Almost all these casualties were due to the air attacks. Of these casualties, it was reported that 28 dead and 56 wounded were civilians. Any casualties among Greek Army officers and men involved in the offensive were not disclosed. Ten Turk-Cypriots were killed.

Btw, the link was provided by Phoenix.

[phoenix]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

Dear Phoenix, my intention was not to hurt your feelings anymore than they already are. Its all terrible. I cannot deny your mums heroics. Greece did indeed suffer as a result of the post war strife.

Only today I was reading a link re: the Koccina fighting and the aerial bombardment. The article gave the total G/GC losses as around 200 of which civilians amounted to around 50 ish. Which in itself is too much.

Then the first casualty in war is always the truth. (I am not casting aspersions on what you are saying , I refer to the report I had read today). I will try and find it. It was posted today. You might have come accross it.

You have not hurt my feelings.

Please find the report . . . I would like to fit some puzzling memories together and compile some questions for remaining relatives when I am back home.

Phoenix mou, I found the link and when you go to the Chronology section you will find this:


Official casualty figures issued by the Cyprus Government show that 55 Greek-Cypriots were killed and 125 were wounded. Almost all these casualties were due to the air attacks. Of these casualties, it was reported that 28 dead and 56 wounded were civilians. Any casualties among Greek Army officers and men involved in the offensive were not disclosed. Ten Turk-Cypriots were killed.

Btw, the link was provided by Phoenix.

Deniz . . . those are the figures for 1963. The Napalm was used in 1964 and 1974

[MR-from-NG]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

Phoenix mou,

We all have seen what terrible carnage bombings from the air can do. It is terrible. I have full sympathy for all innocents who have been victims of aerial bombings violence of any sorts war etc. all over the world.

Your memories, at your tender age you say you were attacked by 'napalm' bombs? At your tender age I am surprised you knew the difference between a normal bomb (which is bad enough) and a 'napalm' bomb. You are consulting your mum now. So she had a good knowledge of this. Or was she told by the Official Propaganda machine that you were napalm bombed in order to elicit International sympathy as is the wont of the GCs.

The article quoted would only publish the information given by the Greek Cypriot Administration of the time.

The information you give may be true, but somehow I have a tiny doubt about the accuracy. Yet this does not negate the fact that you have suffered at the hands of irresponsible leaders who put us in this mess like most of us.

Regards

deniz I never said I was attacked by Napalm . . . The area in which I live was, and some 200 locals died this way.

As for my mother she is a war veteran, who was awarded a medal for her services and if you met her you would know immediately no one could tell her what to think. She is a staunch, stoical fighter for Human Rights and never took any nonsense from purveyors of propaganda.

Dear Phoenix, my intention was not to hurt your feelings anymore than they already are. Its all terrible. I cannot deny your mums heroics. Greece did indeed suffer as a result of the post war strife.

Only today I was reading a link re: the Koccina fighting and the aerial bombardment. The article gave the total G/GC losses as around 200 of which civilians amounted to around 50 ish. Which in itself is too much.

Then the first casualty in war is always the truth. (I am not casting aspersions on what you are saying , I refer to the report I had read today). I will try and find it. It was posted today. You might have come accross it.

It doesn't have feelings. It has functioning organs.

[phoenix]

The pervert is here now.

So long, farewell . . .