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[phoenix]

phoenix
. . . as I suspected, you think and believe you are truly special

Pathetic . . .

But what is wrong with answering the main concern of TC's, where in our opinion 'one man, one vote' can (and this is what we are fearful of) will be used against the TC community as a whole. Who do we turn to once we agree to a solution without safeguards, knowing full well what went on in the past ? And please don't say the EU or the UN.

Why is it so difficult to understand this ?

I don't understand how you can desire to live under a Democracy but refuse to integrate . . . because that is what I understand from the desire to keep yourselves as a special community with special needs, that do not fit in with the needs of normal everyday people.

LondonBoy, do you have a vote as a democratic citizen in the UK? I'll bet yes. Do you also have a "special" vote as an immigrant (2nd generation, whatever)? I'll bet not.

Well what is the difference? Even if you lived in Turkey, you would only have the one vote and not all things will go your way . . . same everywhere.

BUT you can guarantee that most things will go your way because in the end the government is about providing those everyday things that we all use, hospitals, education, social services etc. Or, do you want segregation in all these provisions?

How are these provisions going to fall short of the TC communities requirements if they are OK for GCs, Brits abroad etc. ?

The Turk-TCs already use these provisions at the moment as it is anyway but I suppose they are getting that "special" treatment they desire by not contributing to the cost

[T_C]

The difference is that we are talking about Cyprus, a country that has been partitioned for 40 years where the 2 main communities have unresolved issues....the last time we were "united" we were killing eachother....thats why we need this "special" treatment....if you yourselves don't need special treatment then lets go back to the 1960s constitution with Turkey as guarantor and see how you like it!

[74LB]

Much as T_C says...........this is Cyprus and history says this is the way we treated each other before, what's to stop the same happening again ?

Yes, I live in the UK, yes I vote, no I don't have special conditions when I vote, but I have never lived in fear either. This is what the TC community had to endure in those years after 1963. This is what they do not want to go back to. And yes, likewise the GC community had fears as well.

You are quite correct in saying
"....because in the end the government is about providing those everyday things that we all use....
but the problem is the make-up of the 'said' government (under 'one man, on vote') will be predominantly made up of GC's.

So what is to stop the 'government' implementing plans/ideas, whatever, that go against the TC community as a whole ?

[Bananiot]

Phoenix, was your mother a member of Grivas's "X" organisation?

[phoenix]

Phoenix, was your mother a member of Grivas's "X" organisation?

I don't know what that is. Please tell me about this organisation.

All I know is she objected to him, probably because she has always wanted independence for Cyprus.

[phoenix]

The difference is that we are talking about Cyprus, a country that has been partitioned for 40 years where the 2 main communities have unresolved issues....the last time we were "united" we were killing eachother....thats why we need this "special" treatment....if you yourselves don't need special treatment then lets go back to the 1960s constitution with Turkey as guarantor and see how you like it!

I would not have thought the GCs would want Greece or the UK as guarantors so why should anyone want Turkey?

But I see we cannot get beyond the fact that you have exalted yourselves to "special" and nothing is going to be good enough for you.

What a privileged life you must be living in your haven . . . .

[Bananiot]

It was an organisation set up by Grivas during the occupation of Greece by the Germans which acted against the communists (who were fighting the Germans) and probably collaborated with the Germans on a number of occasions. During that time Cyprus was not an issue.

[halil]

this is Cyprus,
if everything was perfect we would not have 63 , 64 ,67 and 74.
every community must vote for their own community . Two community must be politically equal . Turkey , Greece must be our quartoners .
we don't trust EU or UN's .
Where were the un's at 63,64,67 and 74 .
leaders are same . People minds are same .
with nice words it doesn't work at all . We all know it.
some of us can use those nice words just to get their ambitions and dreams . By looking or listening them everything is perfect but at the end .......... ????????
we have seen this film before .
we have a saying '' when someone mouth burned from the milk . he eats the yogurt by blowing towards the yogurt '' '' Sütden ağzı yanan yoğurdu üfleyerek yer '' i hope some one translate it better.

[Bananiot]

When you are burnt by the pilaf you blow at the yogurt!

[phoenix]

It is little wonder that the Turk-TCs, the perpetrators of the worst crimes are the first ones to declare they don't trust anyone else.

Something to do with judging others by your own crimes and standards.

Well it's a sad fact that you are the only people that trust just Turkey and nobody else, not the GCs, not the EU nor the UN nor the International community.

Enjoy time in your isolation bubble