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STRUGGLE AND MARTYS’ WEEK IS BEING MARKED


The Struggle and Martyrs’ Week ceremonies started with a speech by the Staff Major Akin Orsdemir from the Cyprus Turkish Security Forces, broadcast live on Bayrak Radio and BRT’s first channel this morning.

Later, a special ceremony took place in front of the Martyrs’ Monument in Lefkosa where a minute’s silence was observed, the flags hoisted to the national anthem, and shots fired in memory of the martyrs.

Many high ranking officials, political party members, non governmental organizations and the public attended this ceremony.

President Mehmet Ali Talat signed the special book by noting the Turkish Cypriot peoples struggle for existence and its heroic battle against the Greek Cypriot onslaught.

Noting that the Turkish Cypriot people were continuing with their struggle where the martyrs had left, he said he would continue to work so that the Turkish Cypriot people could live in peace and security.

Similar ceremonies were held throughout all major towns and cities around the republic in memory of those who fell during 1963 and 1974.
Meanwhile the martyrs of Ayvasil Village to the west of Lefkosa were also remembered today with a special ceremony in Turkeli.

Here the ceremony started with wreaths being laid then a minutes silence was observed, shots were fired in tribute to the martyrs and flags were raised to the national anthem.

The deputy secretary of the Society of the Martyrs’ and the Disabled War Veterans Seyhan Cambaz addressed the crowd here by reminding that the events of the 21st of December 1963 also known as bloody Christmas weighed greatly on the hearts of the Turkish Cypriot people.

‘Unarmed people were targets of bullets that were serving the Akritas plan and EOKA- the armed wing of the Greek Cypriots,’ she added.

Ms. Cambaz concluded by saying that even today the Greek-Greek Cypriot duo still regard the Turkish Cypriot people as second class citizens on the island and were still trying to implement the second phase of the Akritas plan.





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who is marty!

[Nikitas]

we all have selective memories. Mine starts in 1958, when our part of Nicosia was under attack. A surreal time, festivities under curfew! I empathize with anyone who faced the terror of being under attack by people he or she did not know who are determined to harm him. It is a horrifying and shocking experience.

Merry Christmas and Good Bayram to everyone, hopefully in 2008 we will get out of the impasse.

[Viewpoint]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

No thanks, until we build trust and understanding that both sides will treat the other as equals both as individuals and communites we need safeguards to guarantees this, we cannot leave this to chance and that the numerical majority will not use their advantage negatively, until then no deal we can carry on as the TRNC, we are willing to wait are you?

[phoenix]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

No thanks, until we build trust and understanding that both sides will treat the other as equals both as individuals and communites we need safeguards to guarantees this, we cannot leave this to chance and that the numerical majority will not use their advantage negatively, until then no deal we can carry on as the TRNC, we are willing to wait are you?

. . . . so you don't want to be labelled as "special" but you DO want to be treated as "special" . . .

Hopeless . . .

[Viewpoint]

we all have selective memories. Mine starts in 1958, when our part of Nicosia was under attack. A surreal time, festivities under curfew! I empathize with anyone who faced the terror of being under attack by people he or she did not know who are determined to harm him. It is a horrifying and shocking experience.

Merry Christmas and Good Bayram to everyone, hopefully in 2008 we will get out of the impasse.

Dont hold your breath Nikitas, we all deserve what we have today as this is the best we can do, no use blaming others we are to blame as neither side has the vision desire or capability to move forward to build up the trust that will help solve the impasse. So we need to wise up and accept the current situation as is as we do nothing to change it and blame everyone else which a typical Cypriot attitude that will get us nowhere.

[Viewpoint]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

No thanks, until we build trust and understanding that both sides will treat the other as equals both as individuals and communites we need safeguards to guarantees this, we cannot leave this to chance and that the numerical majority will not use their advantage negatively, until then no deal we can carry on as the TRNC, we are willing to wait are you?

. . . . so you don't want to be labelled as "special" but you DO want to be treated as "special" . . .

Hopeless . . .

It appears you are always this bloody minded, to much bad blood has passed between our communties, TCs do not trust GCs just as much as Gcs do not trust TCs, simple as that. We need defined guidelines to ensure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past and guarantee that both sides sick to any future agreements knowing full well the penalities to be paid if they should attempt to change the agreement without the other sides consent. What are you so afraid of??

Why do you want to deny us the right to say no when we are threatened? Do you feel you shoudl have the right to do what you wish which could compromise and put the TCs inot difficult and dangerous situations, why do you want to silence us? what have you got in store?

[phoenix]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

No thanks, until we build trust and understanding that both sides will treat the other as equals both as individuals and communites we need safeguards to guarantees this, we cannot leave this to chance and that the numerical majority will not use their advantage negatively, until then no deal we can carry on as the TRNC, we are willing to wait are you?

. . . . so you don't want to be labelled as "special" but you DO want to be treated as "special" . . .

Hopeless . . .

It appears you are always this bloody minded, to much bad blood has passed between our communties, TCs do not trust GCs just as much as Gcs do not trust TCs, simple as that. We need defined guidelines to ensure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past and guarantee that both sides sick to any future agreements knowing full well the penalities to be paid if they should attempt to change the agreement without the other sides consent. What are you so afraid of??

Why do you want to deny us the right to say no when we are threatened? Do you feel you shoudl have the right to do what you wish which could compromise and put the TCs inot difficult and dangerous situations, why do you want to silence us? what have you got in store?

. . . as I suspected, you think and believe you are truly special

Pathetic . . .

[zan]

"200 local people were napalmed to an unimaginably horrendous death"

It's the first time I heard of anyone being napalmed in Cyprus. But anyway I don't think we should forget the past and stop "bitching" , YET. I joined this forum to better understand about what the cyprus dispute is. I am only 21, and still studying so I don't have a lot of time cont. post but I can say I nearly everyday read through the threads. As far as I have understood, the regular posters on this forum can't even talk about past events and in an objective way. The dispute is a puzzle, you can't understand anything about the picture if you look at a single piece of a 2000 piece puzzle. The only way you can understand what you are going to end with in the end is if you put the puzzle together, its doesn't really matter if you have a few blank or wrong pieces in the puzzle, in the end you can still make out what the picture is. It troubles me that people in their 50's and upwards cannot still understand the big picture.

I am going to take it that you include me in this post except for the over 50 bit............2 more years to go

The problem I have is that the pieces of half the jigsaw have been altered and whereas you had a picture that was clear and concise of say ....The Houses of Parliament.....It now looks like a building that does not exist. That is where we are with the period between 1963 to 74......Those pieces do not exist and the Gc puzzle makers do not care that the picture is altered.....They actually revel in it and present it to the world as a real building...If it was just one or two pieces...even being the pedantic I am when it comes to order.....I would not mind.

[phoenix]

"200 local people were napalmed to an unimaginably horrendous death"

It's the first time I heard of anyone being napalmed in Cyprus. But anyway I don't think we should forget the past and stop "bitching" , YET. I joined this forum to better understand about what the cyprus dispute is. I am only 21, and still studying so I don't have a lot of time cont. post but I can say I nearly everyday read through the threads. As far as I have understood, the regular posters on this forum can't even talk about past events and in an objective way. The dispute is a puzzle, you can't understand anything about the picture if you look at a single piece of a 2000 piece puzzle. The only way you can understand what you are going to end with in the end is if you put the puzzle together, its doesn't really matter if you have a few blank or wrong pieces in the puzzle, in the end you can still make out what the picture is. It troubles me that people in their 50's and upwards cannot still understand the big picture.

I am going to take it that you include me in this post except for the over 50 bit............2 more years to go

The problem I have is that the pieces of half the jigsaw have been altered and whereas you had a picture that was clear and concise of say ....The Houses of Parliament.....It now looks like a building that does not exist. That is where we are with the period between 1963 to 74......Those pieces do not exist and the Gc puzzle makers do not care that the picture is altered.....They actually revel in it and present it to the world as a real building...If it was just one or two pieces...even being the pedantic I am when it comes to order.....I would not mind.

So you acknowledge the use of Napalm by Turkey on the Cypriots in 1964 and 1974 as just another piece in the jigsaw of life . . . .

[74LB]

phoenix
. . . as I suspected, you think and believe you are truly special

Pathetic . . .

But what is wrong with answering the main concern of TC's, where in our opinion 'one man, one vote' can (and this is what we are fearful of) will be used against the TC community as a whole. Who do we turn to once we agree to a solution without safeguards, knowing full well what went on in the past ? And please don't say the EU or the UN.

Why is it so difficult to understand this ?